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Would love some sources on that, because that would be a big issue. Russians regularly fly in international airspace along the Norwegian coast and are intercept

Would love some sources on that, because that would be a big issue. Russians regularly fly in international airspace along the Norwegian coast and are intercepted there by Norwegian fighters, but I have never heard about them actually violating Norwegian airspace. This is the closest I know of: https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/02/11-russian-fighter-jets-made-mock-attack-norwegian-arctic-radar https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/02/11-russia...

relix 5y ago
You can find tons of data on that on Google, maybe not Norway but EU airspace. It happens about once a day. https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-european-airspace/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-eur...
- wearywanderer 5y ago
  Headline: "NATO says Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times in 2019" Article: "NATO jets intercepted Russian planes flying close to NATO airspace nearly 300 times in 2019, an alliance official said" These do not mean the same thing.
  - avs733 5y ago
    thank you. and to take this analysis a step further, claims of borders are also not static or a-political. (c.f. Kashmir). Wikipedia keeps a list of these [0]. On the other side of Asia, China makes a larger claim of maritime territory than the US recognizes...and the US Navy regularly sales through those waters [1]. I would encourage people to make a 2 by 2 matrix for soem perspective. Pick two country's...on one axis and put both on there as the 'violated' border and the 'violator' on the other. write headlines for all four boxes. and to be clear to anyone not reading the parent. The headline and article wearywanderer mentions are literal quotes. The headline is the headline, and the quote from the article is literally the first sentence. They don't match as a factual matter. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-us-warship-illegally-enters-its-territory-s-china-sea-2021-05-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-us-warship-il...
    - stretchwithme 5y ago
      PRC took part in negotiating UNCLOS from 1973 to 1982, and ratified in 1996. They recognized the territories of other countries when they ratified it.
  - relix 5y ago
    There are more sources that are more explicit about crossing into the airspace. - https://news.err.ee/1608203641/russian-aircraft-violates-estonian-airspace https://news.err.ee/1608203641/russian-aircraft-violates-est... - https://euobserver.com/tickers/126198 https://euobserver.com/tickers/126198 etc...
SahAssar 5y ago
It's happened a couple of times to Sweden which while not in NATO is in EU (and is generally considered a close ally to NATO). Sources in Swedish: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tre-ryska-militarflygplan-har-krankt-svenskt-territorium https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tre-ryska-militarflygplan... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/expressen-ryskt-stridsflyg-karnkte-svenskt-luftrum https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/expressen-ryskt-stridsfly...

relix 5y ago

You can find tons of data on that on Google, maybe not Norway but EU airspace. It happens about once a day. https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-european-airspace/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-eur...

wearywanderer 5y ago
Headline: "NATO says Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times in 2019" Article: "NATO jets intercepted Russian planes flying close to NATO airspace nearly 300 times in 2019, an alliance official said" These do not mean the same thing.
- avs733 5y ago
  thank you. and to take this analysis a step further, claims of borders are also not static or a-political. (c.f. Kashmir). Wikipedia keeps a list of these [0]. On the other side of Asia, China makes a larger claim of maritime territory than the US recognizes...and the US Navy regularly sales through those waters [1]. I would encourage people to make a 2 by 2 matrix for soem perspective. Pick two country's...on one axis and put both on there as the 'violated' border and the 'violator' on the other. write headlines for all four boxes. and to be clear to anyone not reading the parent. The headline and article wearywanderer mentions are literal quotes. The headline is the headline, and the quote from the article is literally the first sentence. They don't match as a factual matter. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-us-warship-illegally-enters-its-territory-s-china-sea-2021-05-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-us-warship-il...
  - stretchwithme 5y ago
    PRC took part in negotiating UNCLOS from 1973 to 1982, and ratified in 1996. They recognized the territories of other countries when they ratified it.
- relix 5y ago
  There are more sources that are more explicit about crossing into the airspace. - https://news.err.ee/1608203641/russian-aircraft-violates-estonian-airspace https://news.err.ee/1608203641/russian-aircraft-violates-est... - https://euobserver.com/tickers/126198 https://euobserver.com/tickers/126198 etc...

SahAssar 5y ago

It's happened a couple of times to Sweden which while not in NATO is in EU (and is generally considered a close ally to NATO). Sources in Swedish: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tre-ryska-militarflygplan-har-krankt-svenskt-territorium https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tre-ryska-militarflygplan... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/expressen-ryskt-stridsflyg-karnkte-svenskt-luftrum https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/expressen-ryskt-stridsfly...