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There is an enormous leap between "violating airspace" and "shooting down a passenger plane while violating airspace"
by Judgmentality 5y ago
There is an enormous leap between "violating airspace" and "shooting down a passenger plane while violating airspace"
- davidw 5y agoThe Russians, via their proxies in Ukraine, blew up an airliner a few years back.
- jeltz 5y agoBut only through carelessness. They thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian military transport plane.
- baybal2 5y agoNo carelessness, that's exactly what they were told to do: shoot down everything that flies. That was their explicit order.
- nGW56Nak60 5y agoRussia had no reasons to take down that plane. The air space was open with planes flying over Donbas every day. A bunch of monkeys mistook it for a Ukrainian military plane and blew it up.
- baybal2 5y agoNo, it was an explicit order, close down the airspace no matter what. This implied shooting everything that flies in the most literal sense. They knew fully they were shooting a civilian plane.
- goatsi 5y agoIn the celebratory Facebook post right after the shooting they claimed it was a military transport. In the intercepted cell phone call by a militant to a commander from the crash site they find out it's a civilian plane because they find the bodies and luggage. https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-mh17-intercepted-audio/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/ukraine-mh17-int...
- sofixa 5y agoDo you have a source for that? The official investigation concluded it was a mistake by poorly trained soldiers who thought they were downing a military An-26 plane. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
- drran 5y agoSources are in Russian. Russian separatists told shortly after the incident: "В районе Тореза только что сбили самолет Ан-26, валяется где-то за шахтой Прогресс. Предупреждали же - не летать в "нашем небе". А вот и видео-подтверждение очередного "птичкопада". Птичка упала за террикон, жилой сектор не зацепила. Мирные люди не пострадали. А также еще есть информация о втором сбитом самолете, вроде бы Су", - говорится в сообщении Стрелкова. "In the area of Torez, an An-26 plane has just been shot down, lying somewhere behind the Progress mine. We warned not to fly in our sky. And here is a video confirmation of the next birdfall. Civilians were not injured. And there is also information about the second downed plane, like Su, "- said in the message of Strelkov.
- baybal2 5y agoAlso https://youtu.be/_rbzlMeGToI?t=83 https://youtu.be/_rbzlMeGToI?t=83 the "Cossack" referred in other tapes as a unit commander to whom the battery belonged pretty much says "and so? fuck them, we'll say they are spies, it's war" It's surprising to see it being 7 years since, and there are still people from the West still dead convinced in finding "alternative facts." There is one, and only ground truth. A battery had an order to "shoot everything that flies," and that's what they did within hours of the order.
- yreg 5y agoWell what does violating the airspace in pursuit of the passanger plane achieve in this case? Of course the implication is that the MiG could have shot them down.