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Men are doing this sugar daddy thing with 14 year old girls here in Vancouver, BC via Instagram and Facebook. Source: 15 year old girls who rejected said propos

by eloff 5y ago

Men are doing this sugar daddy thing with 14 year old girls here in Vancouver, BC via Instagram and Facebook. Source: 15 year old girls who rejected said propositions but have friends claiming to be making $700/month. That's not iron clad evidence, but I've no reason to assume they're lying. I don't know what the relationship entails - but the whole thing is disgusting to me and nobody seems to care. My wife gets bombarded with these scummy offers, but at least she's an adult.

MattGaiser 5y ago
I am currently 24. Fairly recently was under 18. Plenty of girls of high school age were getting some extremely creepy offers.
HDMI_Cable 5y ago
Jeez, in Vancouver? You should report that stuff, I’ve heard the RCMP takes it really seriously.
- eloff 5y ago
  Its not my place to do that on hearsay from friend's kids. At best it's up to those friends to do that.
tdfx 5y ago
I think the big change hasn't been on the male side, but rather on the female side. There's always been creepy men willing to do this... the big change has been the mainstreaming of the acceptability of this among females. It used to be embarrassing to be seen as the kind of girl that spends time with old rich guys in exchange for gifts. Now being on their yacht in Biscayne Bay is worth the instagram clout for many girls. Go for a walk on the beach in Tulum and you'll see the average age difference of couples is something like 20 years. Instead of keeping it a secret, college age girls know their friends are doing it, as well, so there's no social pressure to hide it.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  It's hard to tell where the big changes are. Very, very clearly there has been a massive shift on the acceptability of talking about this among women, and also I think how common it is among more affluent, younger women. But I have no idea how the demand on the male side has changed. Certainly, there have always been "creepy men" doing this, but I'm curious if the numbers are increasing or staying steady. Definitely I have never heard of any man I know doing it, but I think they would hide that they do. By contrast, I do know young women who have done this.
- notsureaboutpg 5y ago
  It was embarrassing for like 50 years of human history. Historically women got married around the age of 14-16, to men older than that, and marriage would often come with greater access to goods and services. That really started changing with the advent of mandatory public education, so it started changing like 100-ish years ago. If you don't believe me, check the age your grandparents got married at. It was probably in their teens.
- jahewson 5y ago
  I’m going to assume that women’s fundamental willingness to engage in this kind of behaviour hasn’t really changed but that they are no longer shamed for doing so. Couple this with social media and you get a big uptick in visibility.
  - tastyfreeze 5y ago
    Additionally, the rate of women willing to engage in this behavior has likely not increased much. It is just that it is more visible. Seems very similar to the inflated perception of child abduction occurrence.
immmmmm 5y ago
just read a piece saying that for young teenager girls, saying no to an older man is just part of the toolbox, the most universal "rite of passage" towards adulthood: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/09/teenage-girls-unwanted-adult-male-attention https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/09/teenag... a day ago a girl which i was dating was so surprised that i was kind. she indeed either got harassed, spied on, bullied or raped by all of her male partners. (another one had a loaded gun pointed at her face because the boyfriend was jealous. oh no wait, three of my partners almost got killed.) in fact 100% of my female partners and 99% of my female friends got raped at least once (many male ones too, but less). not even talking of such "offering", it's just "normal" for most. a statistical quirk, i doubt it. perhaps sexual education of male fellows might be important? and when i say male i talk for myself too, as a bisexual 50% of intercourses i had with ppl of my gender had at least one non-consensual element done to me. the line is blurry sometimes but the problem is well there. i tend to think there some kind of cultural issue there: every ad targeting men tries to explain them how many young girls they will f** if they buy the product. reminds me my former roommate brought a box of actual sugar, guess the branding: Daddy
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  honestly, i think it is about moral education more than sexual education. i think schools do need to get over being afraid of sex and need to present realistic depictions of sexual encounters with consent. there's a solid percentage of people, but particularly men, who just do not care about the impact their actions have on others.
- throway98752343 5y ago
  > perhaps sexual education of male fellows might be important? I have a hard time believing that men are harassing, raping, and armed assaulting because they missed that day in class. It would be interesting to see if either a VC-backed Yelp for People or China's social credit system has an effect on sex-related crimes.

by eloff 5y ago

MattGaiser 5y ago

I am currently 24. Fairly recently was under 18. Plenty of girls of high school age were getting some extremely creepy offers.

HDMI_Cable 5y ago

Jeez, in Vancouver? You should report that stuff, I’ve heard the RCMP takes it really seriously.

eloff 5y ago
Its not my place to do that on hearsay from friend's kids. At best it's up to those friends to do that.

tdfx 5y ago

I think the big change hasn't been on the male side, but rather on the female side. There's always been creepy men willing to do this... the big change has been the mainstreaming of the acceptability of this among females. It used to be embarrassing to be seen as the kind of girl that spends time with old rich guys in exchange for gifts. Now being on their yacht in Biscayne Bay is worth the instagram clout for many girls. Go for a walk on the beach in Tulum and you'll see the average age difference of couples is something like 20 years. Instead of keeping it a secret, college age girls know their friends are doing it, as well, so there's no social pressure to hide it.

whimsicalism 5y ago
It's hard to tell where the big changes are. Very, very clearly there has been a massive shift on the acceptability of talking about this among women, and also I think how common it is among more affluent, younger women. But I have no idea how the demand on the male side has changed. Certainly, there have always been "creepy men" doing this, but I'm curious if the numbers are increasing or staying steady. Definitely I have never heard of any man I know doing it, but I think they would hide that they do. By contrast, I do know young women who have done this.
notsureaboutpg 5y ago
It was embarrassing for like 50 years of human history. Historically women got married around the age of 14-16, to men older than that, and marriage would often come with greater access to goods and services. That really started changing with the advent of mandatory public education, so it started changing like 100-ish years ago. If you don't believe me, check the age your grandparents got married at. It was probably in their teens.
jahewson 5y ago
I’m going to assume that women’s fundamental willingness to engage in this kind of behaviour hasn’t really changed but that they are no longer shamed for doing so. Couple this with social media and you get a big uptick in visibility.
- tastyfreeze 5y ago
  Additionally, the rate of women willing to engage in this behavior has likely not increased much. It is just that it is more visible. Seems very similar to the inflated perception of child abduction occurrence.

immmmmm 5y ago

just read a piece saying that for young teenager girls, saying no to an older man is just part of the toolbox, the most universal "rite of passage" towards adulthood: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/09/teenage-girls-unwanted-adult-male-attention https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/09/teenag... a day ago a girl which i was dating was so surprised that i was kind. she indeed either got harassed, spied on, bullied or raped by all of her male partners. (another one had a loaded gun pointed at her face because the boyfriend was jealous. oh no wait, three of my partners almost got killed.) in fact 100% of my female partners and 99% of my female friends got raped at least once (many male ones too, but less). not even talking of such "offering", it's just "normal" for most. a statistical quirk, i doubt it. perhaps sexual education of male fellows might be important? and when i say male i talk for myself too, as a bisexual 50% of intercourses i had with ppl of my gender had at least one non-consensual element done to me. the line is blurry sometimes but the problem is well there. i tend to think there some kind of cultural issue there: every ad targeting men tries to explain them how many young girls they will f** if they buy the product. reminds me my former roommate brought a box of actual sugar, guess the branding: Daddy

whimsicalism 5y ago
honestly, i think it is about moral education more than sexual education. i think schools do need to get over being afraid of sex and need to present realistic depictions of sexual encounters with consent. there's a solid percentage of people, but particularly men, who just do not care about the impact their actions have on others.
throway98752343 5y ago
> perhaps sexual education of male fellows might be important? I have a hard time believing that men are harassing, raping, and armed assaulting because they missed that day in class. It would be interesting to see if either a VC-backed Yelp for People or China's social credit system has an effect on sex-related crimes.