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Instead of actually and directly empowering the youth for their own growth in intellectual, body, and mind, a digital brothel aims to empower them so that they

Instead of actually and directly empowering the youth for their own growth in intellectual, body, and mind, a digital brothel aims to empower them so that they can cheaply sell their sexuality. Sure, in the framework of capitalism and individual freedom, this is uncritizable. But let's step back a little bit, and see this in its actual form, and acknowledge that it's a well-justified ban.

tastyfreeze 5y ago
If there is no coercion then what is the problem? Capitalism doesn't even need to be considered for this to be uncriticizable. They are not harming anybody other than some people's sense of moral superiority. If they choose to sell their sexuality that is their choice.
- soared 5y ago
  There is a difference in beliefs and play between you and op. OP may believe that some restriction of personal choices for the greater good (women choosing education, careers, etc over selling their bodies) is justifiable. You may not believe that. In reality the laws provide a mix of the two. You can say almost anything you want, but you can’t yell fire in a movie theatre. Similarly, you maybe can sell anything you want, but selling your body may be a net negative for society.
  - tastyfreeze 5y ago
    I understand there is a difference in beliefs. That is why I wrote my comment, to offer a different perspective to the conversation. There are enough people on the planet that we do not need to restrict personal choices for the greater good beyond the golden rule. I don't want to tell somebody what they can and can't do because I don't want others telling me the same. I will do what I want to satisfy Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and I am not going to stop others from doing the same as long as there is no force involved.
- throway98752343 5y ago
  Prostitution has effects beyond the two parties exchanging money for sex by making a market for something we don't explicitly buy and sell, similar to human organs reclining on airline seats. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/upshot/dont-want-me-to-recline-my-airline-seat-you-can-pay-me.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/upshot/dont-want-me-to-re... It's easier to understand by flipping the situation: Let's say society's age-old tradition was that men MUST pay women for sex, and it's shameful (even illegal) not to. But a few women say no, we want to be able to have sex for free. If the men know that free sex is now a real option, why would they keep paying for it? This freedom would drive the price of sex down, and could cause the sex market to collapse. The equivalent in our timeline is if sex went from being generally free to always having a price.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  I reject your conception of coercion. People should be free in a positive sense, not merely a negative one. [0] [0]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative...
  - tastyfreeze 5y ago
    To be free in the positive sense requires that every individual is able to do as they wish even if you don't like it. "Positive liberty is the possibility of acting — or the fact of acting — in such a way as to take control of one's life and realize one's fundamental purposes." In the journey of life you cannot rush someone to realize their fundamental purpose. You can only cultivate an environment that allows them to do so. You might see choosing to be a prostitute as avoiding their fundamental purpose. I see it as a stepping stone in their journey. They are earning enough money to move to a higher level of the hierarchy of needs. This is necessary for self-actualization.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  > They are not harming anybody other than some people's sense of moral superiority. They hurt the young girls ability to recognize passionate mutual affection driven by the human instinct of finding the fitting mate. They deprive the strong sense of self driven attractions between human beings, and replace it with much more rational yet unspeakably gross attractions to material possession, which itself was a modern invention out of ludicrous idea that someone are just more entitled to privileges than others, even if everyone was created equally, both physical and mentally. They hurt everyone by setting the example of even your sexual activity, the most intimate and passionate human activity, in both physical and mental sense, is perfectly ok to commercialization. No, this is not only wrong, it's anti human!

tastyfreeze 5y ago

If there is no coercion then what is the problem? Capitalism doesn't even need to be considered for this to be uncriticizable. They are not harming anybody other than some people's sense of moral superiority. If they choose to sell their sexuality that is their choice.

soared 5y ago
There is a difference in beliefs and play between you and op. OP may believe that some restriction of personal choices for the greater good (women choosing education, careers, etc over selling their bodies) is justifiable. You may not believe that. In reality the laws provide a mix of the two. You can say almost anything you want, but you can’t yell fire in a movie theatre. Similarly, you maybe can sell anything you want, but selling your body may be a net negative for society.
- tastyfreeze 5y ago
  I understand there is a difference in beliefs. That is why I wrote my comment, to offer a different perspective to the conversation. There are enough people on the planet that we do not need to restrict personal choices for the greater good beyond the golden rule. I don't want to tell somebody what they can and can't do because I don't want others telling me the same. I will do what I want to satisfy Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and I am not going to stop others from doing the same as long as there is no force involved.
throway98752343 5y ago
Prostitution has effects beyond the two parties exchanging money for sex by making a market for something we don't explicitly buy and sell, similar to human organs reclining on airline seats. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/upshot/dont-want-me-to-recline-my-airline-seat-you-can-pay-me.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/upshot/dont-want-me-to-re... It's easier to understand by flipping the situation: Let's say society's age-old tradition was that men MUST pay women for sex, and it's shameful (even illegal) not to. But a few women say no, we want to be able to have sex for free. If the men know that free sex is now a real option, why would they keep paying for it? This freedom would drive the price of sex down, and could cause the sex market to collapse. The equivalent in our timeline is if sex went from being generally free to always having a price.
whimsicalism 5y ago
I reject your conception of coercion. People should be free in a positive sense, not merely a negative one. [0] [0]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative...
- tastyfreeze 5y ago
  To be free in the positive sense requires that every individual is able to do as they wish even if you don't like it. "Positive liberty is the possibility of acting — or the fact of acting — in such a way as to take control of one's life and realize one's fundamental purposes." In the journey of life you cannot rush someone to realize their fundamental purpose. You can only cultivate an environment that allows them to do so. You might see choosing to be a prostitute as avoiding their fundamental purpose. I see it as a stepping stone in their journey. They are earning enough money to move to a higher level of the hierarchy of needs. This is necessary for self-actualization.
justicezyx 5y ago
> They are not harming anybody other than some people's sense of moral superiority. They hurt the young girls ability to recognize passionate mutual affection driven by the human instinct of finding the fitting mate. They deprive the strong sense of self driven attractions between human beings, and replace it with much more rational yet unspeakably gross attractions to material possession, which itself was a modern invention out of ludicrous idea that someone are just more entitled to privileges than others, even if everyone was created equally, both physical and mentally. They hurt everyone by setting the example of even your sexual activity, the most intimate and passionate human activity, in both physical and mental sense, is perfectly ok to commercialization. No, this is not only wrong, it's anti human!