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This seems really amazing. Please excuse my paranoia. Your privacy policy is very well written and easy to read. That's rare. However, Is there someway I can m

by vhanda 5y ago

This seems really amazing. Please excuse my paranoia. Your privacy policy is very well written and easy to read. That's rare. However, Is there someway I can make Fig not send any data to anyone else? From what I understand, Fig does send telemetry information, but I'd like to be made aware of it before it asks me to give it "accessibility" powers. Also, while Fig may not send the data to anyone. Does this also cover all the auto-completion scripts? I'm worried I'll need to audit each one. (I haven't gone past the grant accessibility powers screen)

brendanfalk 5y ago
Thanks! We do need to put in place a proper privacy policy. But we wanted to be transparent with how Fig uses your data (hence what we have currently). You can run `fig settings app.disableTelemetry true` to disable all telemetry except for one daily ping. You also make a good point: in our onboarding we should move our privacy information to before granting accessibility! We will make this more clear
- brainfish 5y ago
  I love your concept and wish to cheer you on, but this statement > You can run `fig settings app.disableTelemetry true` to disable all telemetry except for one daily ping. contains such a blatant lie (disableTelemetry does _not_ disable telemetry) that I've already lost a lot of trust, in an area I am not willing to play trust games. I hope you rethink this, soon and loudly.
  - vletal 5y ago
    So what does it do? Is it just about the daily ping?
    - calrueb 5y ago
      I assume they use it to track DAUs/MAUs. Otherwise, they only have data on installs, but wouldn't have visibility into user retention.
      - qzw 5y ago
        Yes, most likely. Being VC backed means they will want to be able to show pretty growth charts every few months.
      - mst 5y ago
        Seems like they could've avoided this entirely just by having a daily check for updates to the app itself and accepting the fuzz factor.
  - brendanfalk 5y ago
    I hear you and I agree. This is a huge oversight on our part and we will make the disableTelemetry command turn off all telemetry. This will come out in our next build
    - kokanee 5y ago
      Nice! Good call. These HN posts can bring a lot of heat but it comes with extremely valuable feedback like this. For me it's too late; I've now seen that you need to be caught in the act before you'll do the right thing -- but for folks who didn't see this you'll be much better off going forward.
      - binbag 5y ago
        This seems really harsh. It's not like the guy tried to hide from you that it would still permit one daily ping. He told you straight up.
  - shadeslayer_ 5y ago
    This is just unnecessarily rude. The guy had explicitly mentioned about the daily ping and it's mentioned on the product doc as well - so please don't make him up as the big bad guy who says I CAN HAZ DATA
- electroly 5y ago
  I can't imagine that daily ping being worth the loss of trust from having a "disable telemetry" setting that doesn't really disable all telemetry. People who care about disabling telemetry will care about the daily ping, too.
- dannyw 5y ago
  I think you should reconsider daily pinging still taking place when the user explicitly asks to disable telemetry.
- laurent123456 5y ago
  Telemetry being on by default on something like this is going to be hard to pull off. Homebrew has telemetry but it's only for Homebrew commands. This would potentially be for every single command one type in a terminal. It just takes one little bug in the app and who knows what can be sent, maybe passwords and so on.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    > Homebrew has telemetry but it's only for Homebrew commands. It was also more than a little controversial.
    - sidlls 5y ago
      And why I don't use the tool.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      Homebrew's telemetry burned so many bridges back in the day. I had a friend who sold his week-old 15-inch MBP over that.
- tofuahdude 5y ago
  Disable except for once a day is not actually disabling. That's pretty whack.
- yur3i__ 5y ago
  Telemetry by default in terminal autocompletion is a pretty big turnoff for me, even if it can be disabled
- isitdopamine 5y ago
  Please make telemetry opt in, not opt out. And please honor the disableTelemetry setting by disabling the ping.
  - toastal 5y ago
    ...DNT header, but for the OS
bredren 5y ago
If this is a real concern, I recommend Little Snitch or similar. Many apps do not offer any way to turn off various pings.
hnarn 5y ago
> Please excuse my paranoia. Expecting your terminal to have a default setting to not call home is not paranoia: it's absolute common sense.

by vhanda 5y ago

brendanfalk 5y ago

Thanks! We do need to put in place a proper privacy policy. But we wanted to be transparent with how Fig uses your data (hence what we have currently). You can run `fig settings app.disableTelemetry true` to disable all telemetry except for one daily ping. You also make a good point: in our onboarding we should move our privacy information to before granting accessibility! We will make this more clear

brainfish 5y ago
I love your concept and wish to cheer you on, but this statement > You can run `fig settings app.disableTelemetry true` to disable all telemetry except for one daily ping. contains such a blatant lie (disableTelemetry does _not_ disable telemetry) that I've already lost a lot of trust, in an area I am not willing to play trust games. I hope you rethink this, soon and loudly.
- vletal 5y ago
  So what does it do? Is it just about the daily ping?
  - calrueb 5y ago
    I assume they use it to track DAUs/MAUs. Otherwise, they only have data on installs, but wouldn't have visibility into user retention.
    - qzw 5y ago
      Yes, most likely. Being VC backed means they will want to be able to show pretty growth charts every few months.
    - mst 5y ago
      Seems like they could've avoided this entirely just by having a daily check for updates to the app itself and accepting the fuzz factor.
- brendanfalk 5y ago
  I hear you and I agree. This is a huge oversight on our part and we will make the disableTelemetry command turn off all telemetry. This will come out in our next build
  - kokanee 5y ago
    Nice! Good call. These HN posts can bring a lot of heat but it comes with extremely valuable feedback like this. For me it's too late; I've now seen that you need to be caught in the act before you'll do the right thing -- but for folks who didn't see this you'll be much better off going forward.
    - binbag 5y ago
      This seems really harsh. It's not like the guy tried to hide from you that it would still permit one daily ping. He told you straight up.
- shadeslayer_ 5y ago
  This is just unnecessarily rude. The guy had explicitly mentioned about the daily ping and it's mentioned on the product doc as well - so please don't make him up as the big bad guy who says I CAN HAZ DATA
electroly 5y ago
I can't imagine that daily ping being worth the loss of trust from having a "disable telemetry" setting that doesn't really disable all telemetry. People who care about disabling telemetry will care about the daily ping, too.
dannyw 5y ago
I think you should reconsider daily pinging still taking place when the user explicitly asks to disable telemetry.
laurent123456 5y ago
Telemetry being on by default on something like this is going to be hard to pull off. Homebrew has telemetry but it's only for Homebrew commands. This would potentially be for every single command one type in a terminal. It just takes one little bug in the app and who knows what can be sent, maybe passwords and so on.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  > Homebrew has telemetry but it's only for Homebrew commands. It was also more than a little controversial.
  - sidlls 5y ago
    And why I don't use the tool.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Homebrew's telemetry burned so many bridges back in the day. I had a friend who sold his week-old 15-inch MBP over that.
tofuahdude 5y ago
Disable except for once a day is not actually disabling. That's pretty whack.
yur3i__ 5y ago
Telemetry by default in terminal autocompletion is a pretty big turnoff for me, even if it can be disabled
isitdopamine 5y ago
Please make telemetry opt in, not opt out. And please honor the disableTelemetry setting by disabling the ping.
- toastal 5y ago
  ...DNT header, but for the OS

bredren 5y ago

If this is a real concern, I recommend Little Snitch or similar. Many apps do not offer any way to turn off various pings.

hnarn 5y ago

> Please excuse my paranoia. Expecting your terminal to have a default setting to not call home is not paranoia: it's absolute common sense.