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Violent crime (which is a very broad spectrum of crimes, most not life threatening. Spitting on someone. A bar fight. And more severe violence) is slightly high

Violent crime (which is a very broad spectrum of crimes, most not life threatening. Spitting on someone. A bar fight. And more severe violence) is slightly higher in California. Gun crimes are way higher in Texas. Over 50% higher than California. Aren't all those guns supposed to cow the criminals?

JoeAltmaier 5y ago
Are "gun crimes" a thing? Isn't that covered by violent crime? It expected that violent crime uses a weapon of convenience and since CA restricts firearms, then firearms figure less often in violent crime. What's clear from the statistics is, restricting firearms did not make a statistical difference for violent crime in CA.
- defaultname 5y ago
  Well yes, gun crimes are a thing. They are tracked separately. They have separate penalties. And there are loads more of them in Texas than California. Is it because "CA restricts firearms", then you're countering the guy above who claimed that Texas is a more peaceful society because of all of those guns. For that matter, Texas has more murders per capita than California. For all you hear about the wild streets of San Francisco, the crazy gangs of LA, etc... more murders in Texas. For that matter, NYC violence "exploded" over the past year. New York state still has less murders per capita than Texas despite a catastrophically bad year. Ouch. Guess those guns aren't keeping everyone safe. In reality they end up getting used to murder people.
  - amadeuspagel 5y ago
    Comparing the murder rate of two random states with different gun laws doesn't actually tell us anything about the effects of gun laws on the murder rate. Would love to know how a comment based on the same logic arguing the reverse would do on HN. Brazil has way more restrictive gun laws then the US and way more murders. "Ouch." Guess those guns are in fact keeping everyone safe.
    - simion314 5y ago
      The thread started where a person used stats to prove his point and someone else pointed out that the stats are prove the reverse... so conclusion in US laws of statistics do not apply. As a constructive thing, I suggest we figure out why the gun crime stats from 2 different states or from same state but different time are wrong or partially wrong.
    - defaultname 5y ago
      This is an interesting and new take. So to be clear, we should take someone's vague hand-wavy claims about it being better, but we should refute actual empirical metrics. Okay. Not sure how they're two "random" states when they're specifically the states the person I replied to used as their example. Though generally, the more gun permissive a state is, the worse their murder rate is. Though I'm not sure Texans should feel great about your belief that we should lump Texas in with Brazil more than California. I mean, both are states in a rich, first world nation, and many on here are claiming Texas is a utopia compared to California. Instead we need to grade it on a curve where it's actually Brazil. "Ouch."

JoeAltmaier 5y ago

Are "gun crimes" a thing? Isn't that covered by violent crime? It expected that violent crime uses a weapon of convenience and since CA restricts firearms, then firearms figure less often in violent crime. What's clear from the statistics is, restricting firearms did not make a statistical difference for violent crime in CA.

defaultname 5y ago
Well yes, gun crimes are a thing. They are tracked separately. They have separate penalties. And there are loads more of them in Texas than California. Is it because "CA restricts firearms", then you're countering the guy above who claimed that Texas is a more peaceful society because of all of those guns. For that matter, Texas has more murders per capita than California. For all you hear about the wild streets of San Francisco, the crazy gangs of LA, etc... more murders in Texas. For that matter, NYC violence "exploded" over the past year. New York state still has less murders per capita than Texas despite a catastrophically bad year. Ouch. Guess those guns aren't keeping everyone safe. In reality they end up getting used to murder people.
- amadeuspagel 5y ago
  Comparing the murder rate of two random states with different gun laws doesn't actually tell us anything about the effects of gun laws on the murder rate. Would love to know how a comment based on the same logic arguing the reverse would do on HN. Brazil has way more restrictive gun laws then the US and way more murders. "Ouch." Guess those guns are in fact keeping everyone safe.
  - simion314 5y ago
    The thread started where a person used stats to prove his point and someone else pointed out that the stats are prove the reverse... so conclusion in US laws of statistics do not apply. As a constructive thing, I suggest we figure out why the gun crime stats from 2 different states or from same state but different time are wrong or partially wrong.
  - defaultname 5y ago
    This is an interesting and new take. So to be clear, we should take someone's vague hand-wavy claims about it being better, but we should refute actual empirical metrics. Okay. Not sure how they're two "random" states when they're specifically the states the person I replied to used as their example. Though generally, the more gun permissive a state is, the worse their murder rate is. Though I'm not sure Texans should feel great about your belief that we should lump Texas in with Brazil more than California. I mean, both are states in a rich, first world nation, and many on here are claiming Texas is a utopia compared to California. Instead we need to grade it on a curve where it's actually Brazil. "Ouch."