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On Windows, no app looks "native". There seems to be no standard native Windows look left after years of idiotic redesigns and missteps by Microsoft.

darkwater 5y ago
And this is frankly ironic because for so many years one of the biggest complaints against desktop Linux by Windows user was the lack of uniformity between Qt, GTK and other toolkits interfaces.
- dsego 5y ago
  I doubt that windows users would care, mac users maybe. Number one complaint is lack of pro software like photoshop or ms office.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    Windows used to be more consistent. Now the Windows users who cared gave up Windows or gave up caring.
mhd 5y ago
That's always been the case. After Win95 came out, every OS revision and Office release changed the default look and feel. It was most noticeable in the toolbars. Started out with visually raised buttons (like regular interface buttons), then the buttons went flat, then the whole toolbar was raised via a gradient, then everything went bonkers with ribbons (meanwhile in browsers you had huge buttons with text below as yet another alternative). Or the checkmark/cross ok/cancel buttons that were quite common (Borland?). That "old" look and feel co-existing with "modern" flat/web designs just made the differences more noticeable, never mind the often associated differences in icon sizes and styles. Not that other systems are better. Linux always had too many widget toolkits (and now those awful upside-down window-title-toolbars), and even Macs always had at least one weird option (e.g. brushed metal or too iOS-like thingamajigs).
- fuzzy2 5y ago
  Ah but you see, all the core details remained the same since Windows 95. Some from even earlier. Flat buttons, raised buttons, buttons with round corners, they all had the same dimensions, margins, padding. Same goes for all the other details like menus. Indeed, this remains the same even today, in the Run dialog, Win32 applications like Notepad, … Some things changed, like window chrome and the shell (taskbar, start menu). Ribbons came. But the core design language remained unchanged. Until Modern UI. The Firefox context menu is of course not “native”. However, in Firefox 88, it has the look I would expect. The way it looks in basically all Win32 applications. In Firefox 89, context menus are inflated, comically large. Just because Microsoft is butchering UI consistency doesn’t mean other software has to follow suit.

darkwater 5y ago

And this is frankly ironic because for so many years one of the biggest complaints against desktop Linux by Windows user was the lack of uniformity between Qt, GTK and other toolkits interfaces.

dsego 5y ago
I doubt that windows users would care, mac users maybe. Number one complaint is lack of pro software like photoshop or ms office.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  Windows used to be more consistent. Now the Windows users who cared gave up Windows or gave up caring.

mhd 5y ago

That's always been the case. After Win95 came out, every OS revision and Office release changed the default look and feel. It was most noticeable in the toolbars. Started out with visually raised buttons (like regular interface buttons), then the buttons went flat, then the whole toolbar was raised via a gradient, then everything went bonkers with ribbons (meanwhile in browsers you had huge buttons with text below as yet another alternative). Or the checkmark/cross ok/cancel buttons that were quite common (Borland?). That "old" look and feel co-existing with "modern" flat/web designs just made the differences more noticeable, never mind the often associated differences in icon sizes and styles. Not that other systems are better. Linux always had too many widget toolkits (and now those awful upside-down window-title-toolbars), and even Macs always had at least one weird option (e.g. brushed metal or too iOS-like thingamajigs).

fuzzy2 5y ago
Ah but you see, all the core details remained the same since Windows 95. Some from even earlier. Flat buttons, raised buttons, buttons with round corners, they all had the same dimensions, margins, padding. Same goes for all the other details like menus. Indeed, this remains the same even today, in the Run dialog, Win32 applications like Notepad, … Some things changed, like window chrome and the shell (taskbar, start menu). Ribbons came. But the core design language remained unchanged. Until Modern UI. The Firefox context menu is of course not “native”. However, in Firefox 88, it has the look I would expect. The way it looks in basically all Win32 applications. In Firefox 89, context menus are inflated, comically large. Just because Microsoft is butchering UI consistency doesn’t mean other software has to follow suit.