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Maybe they should apply to the king of Italy for relief, since it is from his divine right to all the land that the fief is granted to his vassals.

by Y_Y 5y ago

tsimionescu 5y ago
I'm not sure that's true, the monarchy in Italy was relatively modern and short lived, preceded by a patchwork of republics with wonderful election systems. Here's an example of how the elections for Doxe de Venezia worked in the Republic of Venice[0]: > Thirty members of the Great Council, chosen by lot, were reduced by lot to nine; the nine chose forty and the forty were reduced by lot to twelve, who chose twenty-five. The twenty-five were reduced by lot to nine, and the nine elected forty-five. These forty-five were once more reduced by lot to eleven, and the eleven finally chose the forty-one who elected the doge. Election required at least twenty-five votes out of forty-one, nine votes out of eleven or twelve, or seven votes out of nine electors. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice
- karatinversion 5y ago
  Not just republics - this particular claim descends through the short-lived King of Italy (which missed the age of absolutism by several centuries) from the Papal States.
toyg 5y ago
I guess this is a joke about the continued claim of the Savoy house to a title that was abolished 75 years ago, and which was pretty tenuous to begin with (they're basically a French family, who effectively conquered the country in the XIX century by exploiting unification movements across the area - which were, ironically, ideologically republican, but had to accept the monarchy out of realpolitik).
- avereveard 5y ago
  it's also unclear whose person would carry the title, even if the title where valid, as while Amedeo's lineage would be the actual claimant, the Vittorio lineage is strongly opposing that and they're presenting themselves as the successors.
znpy 5y ago
there's no such thing as king of italy. and since the thing came up: there is no such thing as prince of italy either, nor princess or queen. and by the way, the savoia line of blood isn't even legitimate as heir to the now-nonexistant throne. the legitimate heirs would be the descendant of Aimone duke of Aosta, which nowadays have better things to do.
- bonzini 5y ago
  That was the joke.

Maybe they should apply to the king of Italy for relief, since it is from his divine right to all the land that the fief is granted to his vassals.

by Y_Y 5y ago

Maybe they should apply to the king of Italy for relief, since it is from his divine right to all the land that the fief is granted to his vassals.

tsimionescu 5y ago

I'm not sure that's true, the monarchy in Italy was relatively modern and short lived, preceded by a patchwork of republics with wonderful election systems. Here's an example of how the elections for Doxe de Venezia worked in the Republic of Venice[0]: > Thirty members of the Great Council, chosen by lot, were reduced by lot to nine; the nine chose forty and the forty were reduced by lot to twelve, who chose twenty-five. The twenty-five were reduced by lot to nine, and the nine elected forty-five. These forty-five were once more reduced by lot to eleven, and the eleven finally chose the forty-one who elected the doge. Election required at least twenty-five votes out of forty-one, nine votes out of eleven or twelve, or seven votes out of nine electors. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_of_Venice

karatinversion 5y ago
Not just republics - this particular claim descends through the short-lived King of Italy (which missed the age of absolutism by several centuries) from the Papal States.

toyg 5y ago

I guess this is a joke about the continued claim of the Savoy house to a title that was abolished 75 years ago, and which was pretty tenuous to begin with (they're basically a French family, who effectively conquered the country in the XIX century by exploiting unification movements across the area - which were, ironically, ideologically republican, but had to accept the monarchy out of realpolitik).

avereveard 5y ago
it's also unclear whose person would carry the title, even if the title where valid, as while Amedeo's lineage would be the actual claimant, the Vittorio lineage is strongly opposing that and they're presenting themselves as the successors.

znpy 5y ago

there's no such thing as king of italy. and since the thing came up: there is no such thing as prince of italy either, nor princess or queen. and by the way, the savoia line of blood isn't even legitimate as heir to the now-nonexistant throne. the legitimate heirs would be the descendant of Aimone duke of Aosta, which nowadays have better things to do.

bonzini 5y ago
That was the joke.