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I think a big part of the SF hate is that it's ostensibly a liberal place, when it's really a conservative city. It has horrible housing policies and isn't actu

I think a big part of the SF hate is that it's ostensibly a liberal place, when it's really a conservative city. It has horrible housing policies and isn't actually racially equal when you look at the wealth distribution within the city. I think SF's external perception makes it a target for vitriol from right wing people on the internet. SF has lots of problems to be clear, especially on the east side of the city.

dude187 5y ago
What about it (other than some choice outcomes) makes it a "conservative city"? Is it political policies? If so, can you name some? Is it the mentality of the residents? If so, what are some of those conservative mentalities? If it's just the outcomes you're talking about, what are some "liberal cities" with better outcomes that you compare against? I'd be interested in what those liberal cities are and how their outcomes differ.
- ironman1478 5y ago
  It's heavily resistant to change. It's really difficult to build new housing for example due to nimbyism. Many people are trying to remove the parklets and slow street programs. There is simply no progress in this city. It is literally conservative. I think you look at places like Miami and south Florida, they are a lot better at building new housing because they have vastly different policies. The really hip areas are definitely expensive, but a house is still generally attainable in the greater south Florida area. I think SF wants itself to be perceived as an amazing place full of progress and inclusivity when it's really not that at all. It makes progress on civil rights only because the people of SF don't have to sacrifice anything to allow that to happen. But the second you want to change anything where they'd have to sacrifice for the collective good they fight tooth and nail. It's not all SF residents, but many are like this. You can hear it when the BoS accepts public comment.

dude187 5y ago

What about it (other than some choice outcomes) makes it a "conservative city"? Is it political policies? If so, can you name some? Is it the mentality of the residents? If so, what are some of those conservative mentalities? If it's just the outcomes you're talking about, what are some "liberal cities" with better outcomes that you compare against? I'd be interested in what those liberal cities are and how their outcomes differ.

ironman1478 5y ago
It's heavily resistant to change. It's really difficult to build new housing for example due to nimbyism. Many people are trying to remove the parklets and slow street programs. There is simply no progress in this city. It is literally conservative. I think you look at places like Miami and south Florida, they are a lot better at building new housing because they have vastly different policies. The really hip areas are definitely expensive, but a house is still generally attainable in the greater south Florida area. I think SF wants itself to be perceived as an amazing place full of progress and inclusivity when it's really not that at all. It makes progress on civil rights only because the people of SF don't have to sacrifice anything to allow that to happen. But the second you want to change anything where they'd have to sacrifice for the collective good they fight tooth and nail. It's not all SF residents, but many are like this. You can hear it when the BoS accepts public comment.