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We should encourage people to express dissenting views. The idea that we should do anything in our power to avoid good outcomes for someone that expressed idea
by anon_d 5y ago
We should encourage people to express dissenting views.
The idea that we should do anything in our power to avoid good outcomes for someone that expressed ideas that we don't agree with is worse than hateful and evil: it's stupid and self-destructive.
- sneak 5y agoI do not think it is stupid nor self destructive to avoid enriching people who believe certain humans are more suited to being slaves than others, no. There is diversity of ideas and dissenting views, and he's free to blog about them, but I am also free to go work on other projects/communities that don't enrich landowners who I find morally repugnant. Not wishing to contribute work to directly financially enrich racists and segregationists is very different from thinking that they should be silenced.
- creamytaco 5y agoWikipedia is pretty biased and far from an arbiter of truth, especially when it comes to summarizing someone's life, beliefs and personality. A lot of what Yarvin has written is prescient and extremely incisive. Just because his views and models of the world do not align with the current cultural zeitgeist does not mean that he should be silenced or branded a racist. I get the feeling that most of the people that criticize him have not spent even 10 minutes reading him, but propagate regurgitations they've read/heard. This is not the mark of a healthy society.
- sneak 5y ago> Just because his views and models of the world do not align with the current cultural zeitgeist does not mean that he should be silenced or branded a racist. I agree. The racist things he's said should be sufficient on their own to illustrate his racism, regardless of any other controversial opinions he may have espoused. I read lots of stuff on his blog as part of due diligence related to a referral to Urbit. Your claim makes it seem like he's simply misunderstood, or painted with a too-wide brush. I wish that were the case.
- creamytaco 5y agoI've started reading him from the timer of his old blog (UR) and I've never encountered anything racist in his writing. Even the bits taken out of context in Wikipedia, are not by any stretch racist. Believing that IQ has a genetic component (I know this is anathema in USA but it's widely accepted in Europe and dominant in other parts of the world) and that blacks score lower than whites (as whites score lower than asians) does not make someone a racist.
- wraprepay 5y agolmao imagine pouring over someones enormous political blog searching for any remarks that could be interpreted as racist so you can be allowed to be interested in a software project. Basically sums up our age.
- dunnof 5y agoHe is not silenced, he can write all he wants on his blog and his ideas are available to the public. He is labelled a racist because he defends racist views, this is what he actively promotes. It might be against the zeitgeist, but a lot of people "against he zeitgeist" are not labelled racist just for being so.
- anon_d 5y agoI do not think it is stupid nor self destructive to avoid enriching people who believe that Taiwan is a country, no. There is diversity of ideas and dissenting views, and he's free to blog about them, but I am also free to go work on other projects/communities that don't enrich landowners who I find morally repugnant. Not wishing to contribute work to directly financially enrich Taiwanese nationalists is very different from thinking that they should be silenced. ---- I do not think it is stupid nor self destructive to avoid enriching people who use God's name in vain, no. There is diversity of ideas and dissenting views, and he's free to blog about them, but I am also free to go work on other projects/communities that don't enrich landowners who I find morally repugnant. Not wishing to contribute work to directly financially enrich heretics is very different from thinking that they should be silenced. ---- I spent a years traveling and living in different cultures. "Racism" is basically ubiquitous everywhere in the world. Everywhere else, people (even liberal, educated people in big cities) are openly prejudiced. I found this shocking at first, and eventually came to terms with it. This huge stigma about talking about race literally only exists in one culture, and for this one tiny sliver of the history of that culture. You are in a cult. This is a religion. You are condemning heresy.
- dunnof 5y agoI don't see how replacing "racist" by "Taiwanese nationalist", "liberal", or any other qualifier counter the point being made : you don't have to work enrich people whose ideas you do not support if you have a choice in the matter, period.
- floodyberry- 5y agoWe don't agree. What is the best way to contact you so that you can start enriching me?