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Further clarification after looking into the repository's reflog [1]: - Shells' logo goes up on February 25th. - tomaw assumes his position as head of staff o
by hn-detective 5y ago
Further clarification after looking into the repository's reflog [1]:
- Shells' logo goes up on February 25th.
- tomaw assumes his position as head of staff on March 21st.
- Lee's access is revoked anywhere April 5th-18th, not to be regained until May.
- Fuchs publishes the reorganization announcement on April 18th.
- Lee gets lawyers involved on April 19th.
- Libera Chat was created and its bylaws were written on April 23rd.
- tomaw takes down the testnet and swantzter reverts Fuchs site changes (by force-pushing them out of existence) on April 30th. Presumably under Lee's request.
- Lee appoints kevinp as head of infrastructure on May 11th.
So the narrative that Libera Chat was created because of Lee's active network control is fading the more information we gather. Staff planned, registered and wrote the bylaws for Libera Chat after Lee's request for his access back. That's the only evidence they provided. All other evidence of Lee's supposed hostile actions happened at least 7 days after Libera's inception and should only be seen as a post-rationalization.
[1]: Event #16150837732 at http://web.archive.org/web/20210525011039/https://api.github.com/repos/freenode/web-7.0/events?per_page=100&page=2 http://web.archive.org/web/20210525011039/https://api.github...
- stonogo 5y agoLet's say I believe you. My remaining question is: so?
- hn-detective 5y agoSo the "hostile takeover" narrative was nothing but a smear campaign. Had staff said "It's come to our attention freenode is owned by a privately owned company, something we can't stand behind. Join us at Libera Chat to participate in a truly community-owned network," everyone would still gladly side with and support them. Instead, they are portraying someone as a hostile actor when there is no evidence of that. This casualty is dishonest — Christel sought Andrew out for the sale, not the other way around, and Andrew never tried to exert control in 9 years of direct or indirect sponsorship. If you have evidence to suggest Andrew intentionally tried to gain control before his DNS access was revoked, please let me know as I've been compiling an extensive timeline of events [1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27250514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27250514
- jart 5y agoHere's the statement from the Andrew Lee himself: https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e... according to hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/ https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-sta... I have no idea who this tomaw person is and why they all hate Lee so much, or why they accuse him of bribery when he offers to pay his volunteers. I mean if you're just some scrappy online hacker and the crown fucking prince of a wealthy country reaches out to you directly and says he needs your support: you say yes!
- wearywanderer 5y agoNot everybody is so easily impressed by the bullshit titles claimed by pretenders.
- aahortwwy 5y ago> the crown fucking prince of a wealthy country South Korea is a republic.
- marcescence 5y agoHe is quite literally the crown prince of the Yi dynasty, the latest imperial lineage of Korea [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur)
- aahortwwy 5y agoI know who he is. Neither the Republic of Korea or the DPRK have a monarchy at this moment in history.
- jart 5y agoSouth Korea is part of America's club. Their prince was raised in Indiana as an American. There appears to be folks out there who view Korea as his birthright. Real magnanimous of us that we won't even let him run an IRC network he lawfully purchased. Talk about haan. As far as I can tell, he was just trying to help, and make IRC be more competitive with Slack.