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A highly politicized article for no apparent reason.

by miked85 5y ago

0xB31B1B 5y ago
what about this is politicized?
- miked85 5y ago
  I assume you at least read the first paragraph?
  - 0xB31B1B 5y ago
    it seems like a description of reality
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    Those comparisons seem relevant. You may make an argument that the article would be better without them, but they were used explicitly - not as random filler to create political noise. I.e. not "for no reason".
    - miked85 5y ago
      Just because you agree with them doesn't make them relevant.
happytoexplain 5y ago
It doesn't take long on the internet to see that the conflict between bikes and motor vehicles is highly political.
- kevinpet 5y ago
  And we're incapable of talking about bikes and motor vehicles without mislabeling semi auto rifles as assault rifles?
- colechristensen 5y ago
  A problem with politics is especially evident here. Most people don’t really care and would be happy to come together and agree to make progress or leave it to others to figure out. A few people really care and are toxic, entitled, and really loud about it. So what do you hear? Few reasonable people because most of them don’t think much of the issue at all, fewer because of the attacks of toxic people. As with most “political” things, the people saying the most and the least valuable things said go hand in hand.
wpietri 5y ago
It's clearly political, but claiming it's "politicized" requires evidence. And it's not political for "no apparent reason". The reason is cyclists dying just for trying to go from place to place. The common default notion that cars are privileged and cyclists are assumed to be the problem is deeply political, so talking about it will also be political. For example, take the case of Amelie Le Moullac: https://www.kqed.org/news/10402248/verdict-in-wrongful-death-suit-against-driver-who-killed-bicyclist https://www.kqed.org/news/10402248/verdict-in-wrongful-death... In SF, one of the most bike-friendly cities in the US, she was killed by a negligent driver. The police just swept it under the rug because they assumed cyclists are at fault. Eventually, thanks to some detective work by a local non-profit, the truth was uncovered. The police chief ended up having to apologize. As an SF resident who's done a lot of cycling in the city and has followed the issue for years, I promised that this was politicized a long time ago, and it wasn't the cyclists who started it.

A highly politicized article for no apparent reason.

0xB31B1B 5y ago

what about this is politicized?

miked85 5y ago
I assume you at least read the first paragraph?
- 0xB31B1B 5y ago
  it seems like a description of reality
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Those comparisons seem relevant. You may make an argument that the article would be better without them, but they were used explicitly - not as random filler to create political noise. I.e. not "for no reason".
  - miked85 5y ago
    Just because you agree with them doesn't make them relevant.

happytoexplain 5y ago

It doesn't take long on the internet to see that the conflict between bikes and motor vehicles is highly political.

kevinpet 5y ago
And we're incapable of talking about bikes and motor vehicles without mislabeling semi auto rifles as assault rifles?
colechristensen 5y ago
A problem with politics is especially evident here. Most people don’t really care and would be happy to come together and agree to make progress or leave it to others to figure out. A few people really care and are toxic, entitled, and really loud about it. So what do you hear? Few reasonable people because most of them don’t think much of the issue at all, fewer because of the attacks of toxic people. As with most “political” things, the people saying the most and the least valuable things said go hand in hand.

wpietri 5y ago

It's clearly political, but claiming it's "politicized" requires evidence. And it's not political for "no apparent reason". The reason is cyclists dying just for trying to go from place to place. The common default notion that cars are privileged and cyclists are assumed to be the problem is deeply political, so talking about it will also be political. For example, take the case of Amelie Le Moullac: https://www.kqed.org/news/10402248/verdict-in-wrongful-death-suit-against-driver-who-killed-bicyclist https://www.kqed.org/news/10402248/verdict-in-wrongful-death... In SF, one of the most bike-friendly cities in the US, she was killed by a negligent driver. The police just swept it under the rug because they assumed cyclists are at fault. Eventually, thanks to some detective work by a local non-profit, the truth was uncovered. The police chief ended up having to apologize. As an SF resident who's done a lot of cycling in the city and has followed the issue for years, I promised that this was politicized a long time ago, and it wasn't the cyclists who started it.