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If there is a real danger that EU gouvernments start abusing their power like that, why is it only Americans that are afraid of it? Not EU citizens, who actuall

If there is a real danger that EU gouvernments start abusing their power like that, why is it only Americans that are afraid of it? Not EU citizens, who actually are familiar with how their states behave?

jchw 5y ago
Clearly, nobody is afraid by it: I am getting buried insanely any time I criticize GDPR in any way. It is a thing you are not allowed to critique on HN. So I wouldn’t say americans are particularly more bothered by it. But why shouldn’t we be? I have no representation in EU law.
- anoncake 5y ago
  > Clearly, nobody is afraid by it: I am getting buried insanely any time I criticize GDPR in any way. It is a thing you are not allowed to critique on HN. Not if your criticisms are entirely unfounded and bordering on paranoia, no. > But why shouldn't we be? I have no representation in EU law. What? Do you think only EU citizens have rights in the EU?
  - jchw 5y ago
    > Not if your criticisms are entirely unfounded and bordering on paranoia, no. I am not a lawyer and I do not have access to a lawyer. I can't afford it. Therefore, I have to assume that I simply do not have the expertise to understand GDPR fully. And unlike most laws, it is not a matter of "do things right and nothing will happen", and it has very vicious teeth on top of that. So from my PoV, the risk profile of GDPR is HUGE. If I'm running some pre-existing software stack written in the early 2000s, it simply doesn't have the necessary data provenance tracking that is needed to be GDPR compliant. For what it's worth, I make no money from things I run, not even on ads. Zilch. However, I've spent at least hours processing GDPR requests, and I have absolutely no idea if they are being done correctly, because I'm not a lawyer, and I do not have access to a lawyer. > What? Do you think only EU citizens have rights in the EU? I'm talking about representation in the sense of a democracy. I am part of the system in the U.S. - I can vote. I have no representation when it comes to laws made in the EU. The reverse applies too, but as far as I know there's nothing quite as scary as GDPR from the U.S. side.
- drdavid 5y ago
  I live in the US. I care not one iota about their cookie law and I'm not going to nag my visitors about cookies. Of course the site uses cookies. That's how you retain your settings from session to session. At the same time, I'll happily give you any data I have about you. I don't really collect anything. Your IP address gets logged and you give me an email address if you want to get a newsletter (on most sites of mine). I'll even happily delete your data, such as it is. I'm in the camp that says if I have your data I have to secure it. So, I'd rather not really collect more than I need. I don't even need to know your real name and you're more than welcome to use a fake email address for many things. But, no... No, I'm not going to nag my viewers with a cookie notice. I don't care if they come from the EU. I don't like the nag and I'm not going to nag you.
jokethrowaway 5y ago
I'm a EU citizen in Europe and you can count me scared
Aerroon 5y ago
I'm an EU citizen and GDPR is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant to run a website. I don't see how you could look at the risk from GDPR and find it reasonable to run it as an individual. An individual is liable for any fines with everything they own. Companies usually cost something to run, even if they only exist to hold something.
- anoncake 5y ago
  > I don't see how you could look at the risk from GDPR and find it reasonable to run it as an individual. By not being paranoid.

jchw 5y ago

Clearly, nobody is afraid by it: I am getting buried insanely any time I criticize GDPR in any way. It is a thing you are not allowed to critique on HN. So I wouldn’t say americans are particularly more bothered by it. But why shouldn’t we be? I have no representation in EU law.

anoncake 5y ago
> Clearly, nobody is afraid by it: I am getting buried insanely any time I criticize GDPR in any way. It is a thing you are not allowed to critique on HN. Not if your criticisms are entirely unfounded and bordering on paranoia, no. > But why shouldn't we be? I have no representation in EU law. What? Do you think only EU citizens have rights in the EU?
- jchw 5y ago
  > Not if your criticisms are entirely unfounded and bordering on paranoia, no. I am not a lawyer and I do not have access to a lawyer. I can't afford it. Therefore, I have to assume that I simply do not have the expertise to understand GDPR fully. And unlike most laws, it is not a matter of "do things right and nothing will happen", and it has very vicious teeth on top of that. So from my PoV, the risk profile of GDPR is HUGE. If I'm running some pre-existing software stack written in the early 2000s, it simply doesn't have the necessary data provenance tracking that is needed to be GDPR compliant. For what it's worth, I make no money from things I run, not even on ads. Zilch. However, I've spent at least hours processing GDPR requests, and I have absolutely no idea if they are being done correctly, because I'm not a lawyer, and I do not have access to a lawyer. > What? Do you think only EU citizens have rights in the EU? I'm talking about representation in the sense of a democracy. I am part of the system in the U.S. - I can vote. I have no representation when it comes to laws made in the EU. The reverse applies too, but as far as I know there's nothing quite as scary as GDPR from the U.S. side.
drdavid 5y ago
I live in the US. I care not one iota about their cookie law and I'm not going to nag my visitors about cookies. Of course the site uses cookies. That's how you retain your settings from session to session. At the same time, I'll happily give you any data I have about you. I don't really collect anything. Your IP address gets logged and you give me an email address if you want to get a newsletter (on most sites of mine). I'll even happily delete your data, such as it is. I'm in the camp that says if I have your data I have to secure it. So, I'd rather not really collect more than I need. I don't even need to know your real name and you're more than welcome to use a fake email address for many things. But, no... No, I'm not going to nag my viewers with a cookie notice. I don't care if they come from the EU. I don't like the nag and I'm not going to nag you.

jokethrowaway 5y ago

I'm a EU citizen in Europe and you can count me scared

Aerroon 5y ago

I'm an EU citizen and GDPR is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant to run a website. I don't see how you could look at the risk from GDPR and find it reasonable to run it as an individual. An individual is liable for any fines with everything they own. Companies usually cost something to run, even if they only exist to hold something.

anoncake 5y ago
> I don't see how you could look at the risk from GDPR and find it reasonable to run it as an individual. By not being paranoid.