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The fines are based on your revenue and the impact. So they do differentiate between Epic Games and you. And for me as a user, it sucks if your side project le

The fines are based on your revenue and the impact. So they do differentiate between Epic Games and you. And for me as a user, it sucks if your side project leaks my credit card and SSN, because I'll be dealing with the identity theft and fraud. If you're not competent enough to keep them safe, then use a vendor that is or don't process then at all.

jchw 5y ago
If it were only SSN or credit card data, this would be understandable. But I assume you’re aware GDPR is far broader than this. And as well, GDPR, again, doesn’t guarantee the safety of your data. It just adds fines to some circumstances where your data is misused. But an honest breach doesn’t lead to fines as far as I can tell, so you just have to live with that possibility either way. As best as I can tell, there is no legally binding texts anywhere that limits the fines. The maximums start at €20 million and go higher if you’re huge. In the mindset of “hope is not a strategy,” this maximum fine being the only legally binding limit is enough to make you go home. Maybe small companies can hope for preferential treatment, but as an individual even small fees could do serious harm.
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  Work behind a limited company and let it fail. Escape to Mexico in the worst scenario. South America is anyway becoming more and more appealing the more the West progress. That said, not that it changes much but I stopped taking EU customers (I take businesses and not customers) because of vatmoss and gdpr.
  - Aerroon 5y ago
    Vatmoss was so blatantly dumb in its implementation that it makes me wonder whether the MEPs even spent 5 minutes thinking about the implications of it. How can you look at all the VAT systems and not realize that almost all of them have a minimum threshold?! It is a bit ironic that it's probably a good idea for an EU service to not serve EU customers.
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jchw 5y ago

If it were only SSN or credit card data, this would be understandable. But I assume you’re aware GDPR is far broader than this. And as well, GDPR, again, doesn’t guarantee the safety of your data. It just adds fines to some circumstances where your data is misused. But an honest breach doesn’t lead to fines as far as I can tell, so you just have to live with that possibility either way. As best as I can tell, there is no legally binding texts anywhere that limits the fines. The maximums start at €20 million and go higher if you’re huge. In the mindset of “hope is not a strategy,” this maximum fine being the only legally binding limit is enough to make you go home. Maybe small companies can hope for preferential treatment, but as an individual even small fees could do serious harm.

jokethrowaway 5y ago
Work behind a limited company and let it fail. Escape to Mexico in the worst scenario. South America is anyway becoming more and more appealing the more the West progress. That said, not that it changes much but I stopped taking EU customers (I take businesses and not customers) because of vatmoss and gdpr.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  Vatmoss was so blatantly dumb in its implementation that it makes me wonder whether the MEPs even spent 5 minutes thinking about the implications of it. How can you look at all the VAT systems and not realize that almost all of them have a minimum threshold?! It is a bit ironic that it's probably a good idea for an EU service to not serve EU customers.

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