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> Andrew Lee <rasengan> currently controls the freenode domains and is being accused of a hostile takeover. The network was sold to Andrew Lee Doesn't it sound

by sampo 5y ago

> Andrew Lee <rasengan> currently controls the freenode domains and is being accused of a hostile takeover. The network was sold to Andrew Lee Doesn't it sound contradictory to be accused of a hostile takeover of something you already own?

kelnos 5y ago
I think the issue is that it's unclear what was actually sold to Lee (possibly just a domain name and a website), because the IRC servers themselves are loaned to the network and are run by volunteers. And when the sale happened, it was downplayed to the other staff members so they believed something not quite the same as what really happened during the sale. The question is really... what is an IRC network, and what constitutes ownership of it? If all the people who own and run the IRC servers themselves change their banner from Freenode to Baznode, and tell people to start connecting to irc.baznode.com instead, then perhaps the entity that owns freenode.com doesn't really own an IRC network? (I know that's not what happened, as Freenode-the-IRC-network is still running as-is, but just presenting it here given that it could happen based on how the servers are run.)
- sampo 5y ago
  > I think the issue is that it's unclear what was actually sold to Lee (possibly just a domain name and a website) Looks like Lee legally owns something. I am not exactly sure what it is? Something much less than the entire IRC network. Some kind of account to something. First Wesley had revoked Lee's access, and then returned it. Anyway, when Lee asked for this access to whatever it is that he owns, it was seen as an attempt to a hostile takeover. "I was locked out of the account" "Finally, tomaw voluntarily handed back all of the accesses" https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/blob/main/content/news/2021-05-19-freenode-is-foss.md https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/blob/main/content/news/2...
  - wut42 5y ago
    Wesley didn't revoke Lee access. The domain drama was just a misunderstanding about a 2FA/config thing that happened months ago -- it is documented in the email that Lee's published from Wesley: https://web.archive.org/web/20210519213611/https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/f569c5e4727d21eb939fff99cb9dc84c https://web.archive.org/web/20210519213611/https://gist.gith... (edit: Maybe that when all this drama started, Wesley held on giving access again.)
wut42 5y ago
It's not when the owner promised to never interfere. 15 march: I have not, am not, and will not interfere with the operations of freenode outside of when asked for help

by sampo 5y ago

kelnos 5y ago

I think the issue is that it's unclear what was actually sold to Lee (possibly just a domain name and a website), because the IRC servers themselves are loaned to the network and are run by volunteers. And when the sale happened, it was downplayed to the other staff members so they believed something not quite the same as what really happened during the sale. The question is really... what is an IRC network, and what constitutes ownership of it? If all the people who own and run the IRC servers themselves change their banner from Freenode to Baznode, and tell people to start connecting to irc.baznode.com instead, then perhaps the entity that owns freenode.com doesn't really own an IRC network? (I know that's not what happened, as Freenode-the-IRC-network is still running as-is, but just presenting it here given that it could happen based on how the servers are run.)

sampo 5y ago
> I think the issue is that it's unclear what was actually sold to Lee (possibly just a domain name and a website) Looks like Lee legally owns something. I am not exactly sure what it is? Something much less than the entire IRC network. Some kind of account to something. First Wesley had revoked Lee's access, and then returned it. Anyway, when Lee asked for this access to whatever it is that he owns, it was seen as an attempt to a hostile takeover. "I was locked out of the account" "Finally, tomaw voluntarily handed back all of the accesses" https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/blob/main/content/news/2021-05-19-freenode-is-foss.md https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/blob/main/content/news/2...
- wut42 5y ago
  Wesley didn't revoke Lee access. The domain drama was just a misunderstanding about a 2FA/config thing that happened months ago -- it is documented in the email that Lee's published from Wesley: https://web.archive.org/web/20210519213611/https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/f569c5e4727d21eb939fff99cb9dc84c https://web.archive.org/web/20210519213611/https://gist.gith... (edit: Maybe that when all this drama started, Wesley held on giving access again.)

wut42 5y ago

It's not when the owner promised to never interfere. 15 march: I have not, am not, and will not interfere with the operations of freenode outside of when asked for help