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They're incredibly well compensated and for the most part have the financial freedom to quit at any time as a result. They can choose to work in terrible condit

They're incredibly well compensated and for the most part have the financial freedom to quit at any time as a result. They can choose to work in terrible conditions for a lot of money - that seems totally reasonable. Now on the other hand, consider people who are stuck in part time jobs that treat them terribly for minimum wage. They don't have the freedom to quit because they can't afford to miss a paycheck. In general, I don't think people who freely opt into anything should get sympathy for it.

jonny_eh 5y ago
How about if no one would get treated like this?
- awillen 5y ago
  What is the issue with people willingly subjecting themselves to poor treatment in exchange for a lot of compensation? It happens all over the place... medical students and residents are run ragged and brutally overworked. Young investment bankers are in the office constantly and always on call. Same thing with young lawyers in biglaw. These are not people being abused or taken advantage of - they're making their own choices. You're suggesting that we should not allow people free choice in this context, and I think that's a much worse thing to do to them than to allow them to pick a job that's unpleasant.
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  - borroka 5y ago
    Also violence happens all over the place, but it does not make it ok. Extremes and provocative-examples aside, the problem I see is not with exchanging life-obliterating work for money, but with signing for normal-ish work and getting brutal 24/7 instead. We can think that they are free to go elsewhere like we can think that those in abusive situations can simply go elsewhere, but there are financial considerations, gas-lighting, just-another-month syndrome that leads to burn-out. Life is just in theory pack-your-bags-and-go easy.
    - awillen 5y ago
      Your violence comment is totally irrelevant. If you thought going to work at Uber was going to be normal-ish, then you just didn't do your homework. That's on you. No reason we should make policy to protect people who won't do basic research. You cite financial considerations, but again, these people are getting paid huge amounts of money. Unless you consider golden handcuffs to be a financial consideration that would prevent someone from leaving, that just doesn't apply here. That's the point - the tradeoff they're making enables them to leave whenever they want.
      - borroka 5y ago
        First, take a deep breath. This knee-jerk reactions do not help the conversation. I wrote "Extremes and provocative-examples aside". People do not leave abusive situations for a variety of reasons, some of which I cite in my comment. I did not work for Uber, despite receiving a decent offer (a 4-yr package that given the current Uber valuation would have been worth between 1.5 and 2 million USD) 3 years ago.

jonny_eh 5y ago

How about if no one would get treated like this?

awillen 5y ago
What is the issue with people willingly subjecting themselves to poor treatment in exchange for a lot of compensation? It happens all over the place... medical students and residents are run ragged and brutally overworked. Young investment bankers are in the office constantly and always on call. Same thing with young lawyers in biglaw. These are not people being abused or taken advantage of - they're making their own choices. You're suggesting that we should not allow people free choice in this context, and I think that's a much worse thing to do to them than to allow them to pick a job that's unpleasant.
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- borroka 5y ago
  Also violence happens all over the place, but it does not make it ok. Extremes and provocative-examples aside, the problem I see is not with exchanging life-obliterating work for money, but with signing for normal-ish work and getting brutal 24/7 instead. We can think that they are free to go elsewhere like we can think that those in abusive situations can simply go elsewhere, but there are financial considerations, gas-lighting, just-another-month syndrome that leads to burn-out. Life is just in theory pack-your-bags-and-go easy.
  - awillen 5y ago
    Your violence comment is totally irrelevant. If you thought going to work at Uber was going to be normal-ish, then you just didn't do your homework. That's on you. No reason we should make policy to protect people who won't do basic research. You cite financial considerations, but again, these people are getting paid huge amounts of money. Unless you consider golden handcuffs to be a financial consideration that would prevent someone from leaving, that just doesn't apply here. That's the point - the tradeoff they're making enables them to leave whenever they want.
    - borroka 5y ago
      First, take a deep breath. This knee-jerk reactions do not help the conversation. I wrote "Extremes and provocative-examples aside". People do not leave abusive situations for a variety of reasons, some of which I cite in my comment. I did not work for Uber, despite receiving a decent offer (a 4-yr package that given the current Uber valuation would have been worth between 1.5 and 2 million USD) 3 years ago.