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Good! The west doesn't need to get any closer to being a corporatocracy.

by JI00912 5y ago

ashtonkem 5y ago
So you’re going to hand that power over to politicians instead? What a fantastic way to make everything worse.
- quotemstr 5y ago
  Politicians are bound by literal centuries of free speech tradition and precedent. I trust them much more than I trust activists in Bay Area meeting rooms who believe that a company's mission should be promoting a worldview they got from Tumblr and Twitter.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    You don’t get to point to centuries of free speech tradition as a justification while you advocate directly for undoing some of that tradition. That’s not a credible argument.
    - quotemstr 5y ago
      Corporations have never had the same rights as natural persons, sorry.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        That’s completely unrelated to my point. You’re appealing to centuries of free speech jurisprudence that constrains the actions of politicians. But the precise nature of that jurisprudence is to keep politicians as far away from the business of regulating speech as is possible. Your proposal would purposefully involve politicians in the regulation of speech, contrary to that jurisprudence you point to. It is therefore not an internally consistent argument to point at the traditions you’re actively undermining as a reason why your actions will not have unintended consequences.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Politicians are bound by literal centuries of free speech tradition and precedent. I trust them much more than I trust activists in Bay Area meeting rooms who believe that a company's mission should be promoting a worldview they got from Tumblr and Twitter. But...that centuries of tradition means that companies, whether as a result of activists in meeting rooms or otherwise, get to make those decisions, and politicians don’t. By transferring that power from private actors deciding what ideas to use their own resources to transmit and promote to politicians, you would terminate that free speech tradition.

Good! The west doesn't need to get any closer to being a corporatocracy.

ashtonkem 5y ago

So you’re going to hand that power over to politicians instead? What a fantastic way to make everything worse.

quotemstr 5y ago
Politicians are bound by literal centuries of free speech tradition and precedent. I trust them much more than I trust activists in Bay Area meeting rooms who believe that a company's mission should be promoting a worldview they got from Tumblr and Twitter.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  You don’t get to point to centuries of free speech tradition as a justification while you advocate directly for undoing some of that tradition. That’s not a credible argument.
  - quotemstr 5y ago
    Corporations have never had the same rights as natural persons, sorry.
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      That’s completely unrelated to my point. You’re appealing to centuries of free speech jurisprudence that constrains the actions of politicians. But the precise nature of that jurisprudence is to keep politicians as far away from the business of regulating speech as is possible. Your proposal would purposefully involve politicians in the regulation of speech, contrary to that jurisprudence you point to. It is therefore not an internally consistent argument to point at the traditions you’re actively undermining as a reason why your actions will not have unintended consequences.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Politicians are bound by literal centuries of free speech tradition and precedent. I trust them much more than I trust activists in Bay Area meeting rooms who believe that a company's mission should be promoting a worldview they got from Tumblr and Twitter. But...that centuries of tradition means that companies, whether as a result of activists in meeting rooms or otherwise, get to make those decisions, and politicians don’t. By transferring that power from private actors deciding what ideas to use their own resources to transmit and promote to politicians, you would terminate that free speech tradition.