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It's the thing that once was a conspiracy theory that was getting right wing YouTube channels in trouble, now it's an article from a legitimate news source. To

by xupybd 5y ago

It's the thing that once was a conspiracy theory that was getting right wing YouTube channels in trouble, now it's an article from a legitimate news source. To me that makes it very interesting.

lawnchair_larry 5y ago
The more “free thinking” non-right wing people were talking about it too. And being cast out by the NPC left as believing right wing conspiracies. Most of us who paid any attention knew this a year ago. We just weren’t allowed to talk about it in polite company. Just like several other narratives as of late. Some of which have yet to break through. Just wait until the mainstream picks up on the massive ivermectin scandal. That’s going to be a way bigger deal than this “revelation”. Slowly, more and more people are starting to realize how garbage the media has become and how the vast majority of what’s reported is really just activism pushing a narrative, and often not even true. It’s been reduced to ideology and clickbait. I’m glad we can finally say it. Of course it came from the fucking lab. Anyone who believed otherwise should be ashamed of their gullibility and take steps to avoid buying obvious political propaganda in the future. It started right beside the world’s leading facility for bat coronaviruses where they do gain of function research. Where they have live bats. The species of bat it comes from lives like 1000 miles away. They go there and bring them back to the wuhan lab. The bats do not exist there otherwise. And this lab has a history of accidents. And there were no infected animals in the wet market. Yes it’s possible it could be a massive cascade of remarkable coincidences that would and have caused this, and it was a mysterious zoonotic origin that we still can’t explain (after changing explanations twice), but…come on. We ate up this obvious coverup story for over a year just because we hated Trump so much we allowed it to drop our IQ by like 30 points. At this point, it’s conspiracy theorist to claim that it didn’t come from the lab. What else did we get wrong during this hyper partisan blindness?
- tim333 5y ago
  I posted stuff on the lab leak way back at the beginning (feb 20 or so) but I still think it's unproven. Even so I think people should have been able to discuss it in mainstream forums from the start. Also I think the Chinese owe it to the world to have some openness on the thing.
  - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
    It’s definitely unproven, yeah, but so obviously the most likely explanation and should have been explored seriously from the beginning. China’s denials should have never been taken seriously.
- avs733 5y ago
  > cast out by the NPC left In case anyone is unfamiliar with 'NPC left' (non player character) it is a right wing slur for people they disagree with. [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-b...
  - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
    It’s not “right wing” or pro-Trump at all, but this NYT explanation is hilarious. It’s just a joke reference to the simulation theory, and refers to someone who has their opinions “assigned” to them, left or right, and doesn’t imply disagreement. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NPC&amp=true&defid=13042309 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NPC&amp=true...
    - avs733 5y ago
      NPC is a meme. Your link to urbandictionary is particularly interesting if you look at the contributors history... NPC left is a term specifically to fuzz anti-progressive animus through 'memeing' language. This type of coded language is a common tactic of white supremacists [0-4]. You may have done it intentionally or not, but it is what it is [0,1,3]. If this is unintentional, you should be aware that that language is created specifically to play with this irony and ambiguity and draw people in while taking a stance that enables everyone involved to claim [4]. [0] https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-white-supremacists-use-soft-power https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-white-supremacists-use-soft-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990274685/how-extremists-weaponize-irony-to-spread-hate https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990274685/how-extremists-weap... [2] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-alt-right-terminology-20161115-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-alt-right-terminolo... [3] https://mashable.com/2017/05/05/alt-right-memes-france-world/ https://mashable.com/2017/05/05/alt-right-memes-france-world... [4] https://journals.openedition.org/angles/369 https://journals.openedition.org/angles/369
      - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
        None of these links are authoritative, they’re just NPC left activism. I used “NPC left” to differentiate from the “reasonable left”. The people who follow folks like AOC and Ilhan Omar, as opposed to the more mainstream moderate left. Nothing to do with right wing or alt-right anything. And I am not even going to entertain this stupid white supremacist lie that folks of a certain activist persuasion love to fling at everyone and everything with no basis whatsoever. That’s not a thing, and you need to join the rest in coming to terms with the fact that narrative is completely manufactured nonsense. Hopefully you weren’t one of the many who fell for the CNN hoax about the white supremacist catholic kids supposedly antagonizing the indigenous man, but after that happening repeatedly, it should give you pause before believing claims like this. Nevermind that “NPC” doesn’t even appear in your links, so this is some massive goalpost shifting. One of them even says “snowflake” is an alt-right white supremacist word. Is anybody still supposed to take this shit seriously?

by xupybd 5y ago

It's the thing that once was a conspiracy theory that was getting right wing YouTube channels in trouble, now it's an article from a legitimate news source. To me that makes it very interesting.

lawnchair_larry 5y ago

The more “free thinking” non-right wing people were talking about it too. And being cast out by the NPC left as believing right wing conspiracies. Most of us who paid any attention knew this a year ago. We just weren’t allowed to talk about it in polite company. Just like several other narratives as of late. Some of which have yet to break through. Just wait until the mainstream picks up on the massive ivermectin scandal. That’s going to be a way bigger deal than this “revelation”. Slowly, more and more people are starting to realize how garbage the media has become and how the vast majority of what’s reported is really just activism pushing a narrative, and often not even true. It’s been reduced to ideology and clickbait. I’m glad we can finally say it. Of course it came from the fucking lab. Anyone who believed otherwise should be ashamed of their gullibility and take steps to avoid buying obvious political propaganda in the future. It started right beside the world’s leading facility for bat coronaviruses where they do gain of function research. Where they have live bats. The species of bat it comes from lives like 1000 miles away. They go there and bring them back to the wuhan lab. The bats do not exist there otherwise. And this lab has a history of accidents. And there were no infected animals in the wet market. Yes it’s possible it could be a massive cascade of remarkable coincidences that would and have caused this, and it was a mysterious zoonotic origin that we still can’t explain (after changing explanations twice), but…come on. We ate up this obvious coverup story for over a year just because we hated Trump so much we allowed it to drop our IQ by like 30 points. At this point, it’s conspiracy theorist to claim that it didn’t come from the lab. What else did we get wrong during this hyper partisan blindness?

tim333 5y ago
I posted stuff on the lab leak way back at the beginning (feb 20 or so) but I still think it's unproven. Even so I think people should have been able to discuss it in mainstream forums from the start. Also I think the Chinese owe it to the world to have some openness on the thing.
- lawnchair_larry 5y ago
  It’s definitely unproven, yeah, but so obviously the most likely explanation and should have been explored seriously from the beginning. China’s denials should have never been taken seriously.
avs733 5y ago
> cast out by the NPC left In case anyone is unfamiliar with 'NPC left' (non player character) it is a right wing slur for people they disagree with. [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-b...
- lawnchair_larry 5y ago
  It’s not “right wing” or pro-Trump at all, but this NYT explanation is hilarious. It’s just a joke reference to the simulation theory, and refers to someone who has their opinions “assigned” to them, left or right, and doesn’t imply disagreement. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NPC&amp=true&defid=13042309 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NPC&amp=true...
  - avs733 5y ago
    NPC is a meme. Your link to urbandictionary is particularly interesting if you look at the contributors history... NPC left is a term specifically to fuzz anti-progressive animus through 'memeing' language. This type of coded language is a common tactic of white supremacists [0-4]. You may have done it intentionally or not, but it is what it is [0,1,3]. If this is unintentional, you should be aware that that language is created specifically to play with this irony and ambiguity and draw people in while taking a stance that enables everyone involved to claim [4]. [0] https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-white-supremacists-use-soft-power https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-white-supremacists-use-soft-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990274685/how-extremists-weaponize-irony-to-spread-hate https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990274685/how-extremists-weap... [2] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-alt-right-terminology-20161115-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-alt-right-terminolo... [3] https://mashable.com/2017/05/05/alt-right-memes-france-world/ https://mashable.com/2017/05/05/alt-right-memes-france-world... [4] https://journals.openedition.org/angles/369 https://journals.openedition.org/angles/369
    - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
      None of these links are authoritative, they’re just NPC left activism. I used “NPC left” to differentiate from the “reasonable left”. The people who follow folks like AOC and Ilhan Omar, as opposed to the more mainstream moderate left. Nothing to do with right wing or alt-right anything. And I am not even going to entertain this stupid white supremacist lie that folks of a certain activist persuasion love to fling at everyone and everything with no basis whatsoever. That’s not a thing, and you need to join the rest in coming to terms with the fact that narrative is completely manufactured nonsense. Hopefully you weren’t one of the many who fell for the CNN hoax about the white supremacist catholic kids supposedly antagonizing the indigenous man, but after that happening repeatedly, it should give you pause before believing claims like this. Nevermind that “NPC” doesn’t even appear in your links, so this is some massive goalpost shifting. One of them even says “snowflake” is an alt-right white supremacist word. Is anybody still supposed to take this shit seriously?