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Folks give endless crap around apple's lack of repairability. Bottom line however is that Apple's phones get a ton of use and re-use for a number of reasons. 1

Folks give endless crap around apple's lack of repairability. Bottom line however is that Apple's phones get a ton of use and re-use for a number of reasons. 1) Really hard now to do the fake replacement battery scams, Apple alerts buyer if a new battery was put in outside of apples approved ecosystem. 2) Fantastic duration on updates. Despite the claims of the more repairable androids, far too many NEVER update, AND ship with crap / older versions from the start. Apple by contrast has iOS 14 running on: iPhone 12 iPhone 12 mini iPhone 12 Pro iPhone 12 Pro Max iPhone 11 iPhone 11 Pro iPhone 11 Pro Max iPhone XS iPhone XS Max iPhone XR iPhone X iPhone 8 iPhone 8 Plus iPhone 7 iPhone 7 Plus iPhone 6s iPhone 6s Plus iPhone SE (1st generation) iPhone SE (2nd generation) iPod touch (7th generation) iOS 13 and even iOS 12 are STILL getting updates that cover iPhone 5S, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 3 and original iPad Air. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212341 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212341 came out just this month for iOS 12. 3) Phone is pretty durable, everything is glued down and surprisingly waterproof. 4) Hard to root the device. When you buy a used phone / do a reset, you are less likely to be getting backdoored. 5) Resulting in fantastic resale and down market value which means the phones go and go and go.

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webmobdev 5y ago
Here's a different perspective: Really hard now to do the fake replacement battery scams Really hard to replace battery. Period. It's a scammy tactic to make battery repairs very costly. Fantastic duration on updates An open system like the Sony Open Devices phone, that allows you to unlock the bootloader, is better for consumers as it allows users to even install a different mobile operating system on their phone! ( https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/ https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/ and https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ ). iOS 13 and even iOS 12 are STILL getting updates They are only getting security updates that plug holes that allow an iDevice to be Jailbroken. They sadly don't get updates for the default apps like Safari or Photos. Phone is pretty durable, everything is glued down and surprisingly waterproof. You don't need to glue things to make it durable or waterproof. It just makes repairs more difficult and that's the real endgame. Resulting in fantastic resale and down market value This is only partly true, especially for Intel only mac systems because you can install and run other operating systems in it. iDevices for which OS updates have been stopped also greatly devalue and don't have the same resale value.
- gruez 5y ago
  > They are only getting security updates that plug holes that allow an iDevice to be Jailbroken. They sadly don't get updates for the default apps like Safari or Photos. This seems to be contradicted by https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212341 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212341, which states it's getting security updates even for webkit.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    Yes, they do issue security updates for Webkit / Safari as even that can be exploited to Jailbreak a device. I was however talking about feature updates for the default apps. Currently bundled apps appear to be tied to ios updates.
    - slownews45 5y ago
      The idea that Android phones are getting these feature updates and iOS security updates is an absolute joke. Seriously. HTC Wildfire E3 just came out, running android 10. Released 2019. And chances of it getting updated to Android 11 (released 2020) or Android 12 and 13 (coming out in 2021 and 2022) are pretty much zilch. HTC U Play was on Android 6 maybe forever? Did they EVER release an update? It might STILL be stuck on Android 6. Do folks not understand the benefits of updating phones?
      - webmobdev 5y ago
        Disregarding the fact that even Google offers long-term updates for certain Android mobile phones, and even a small company like Jolla provided Sailfish OS updates for 7 years to its first phone, it's kind of disingenuous to highlight only those features of Android OS that make Apple's iDevices look good. I can also the throw the same argument back at you by pointing out that even if I can't update the Android OS on some devices, I can still update the default browser (Chrome) or even install a different browser, like Firefox, that is totally independent of the OS (unlike in ios where every browser is forced to use Safari / Webkit as the rendering engine, and thus will be stuck with an older version whenever Apple decides to not update it). The argument can even be stretched further - I can also buy an Android phone with an unlocked bootloader (like Sony Open Devices phones) and install other Android and other mobile OSes on it too, if I so desire. When compared with that perspective, don't some Android phones seem better than Apple's iDevices? Anyway, that isn't the point - the criticism here is that Apple users like me are demanding more from Apple are not satisfied with their current practices.

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webmobdev 5y ago

Here's a different perspective: Really hard now to do the fake replacement battery scams Really hard to replace battery. Period. It's a scammy tactic to make battery repairs very costly. Fantastic duration on updates An open system like the Sony Open Devices phone, that allows you to unlock the bootloader, is better for consumers as it allows users to even install a different mobile operating system on their phone! ( https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/ https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/ and https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ ). iOS 13 and even iOS 12 are STILL getting updates They are only getting security updates that plug holes that allow an iDevice to be Jailbroken. They sadly don't get updates for the default apps like Safari or Photos. Phone is pretty durable, everything is glued down and surprisingly waterproof. You don't need to glue things to make it durable or waterproof. It just makes repairs more difficult and that's the real endgame. Resulting in fantastic resale and down market value This is only partly true, especially for Intel only mac systems because you can install and run other operating systems in it. iDevices for which OS updates have been stopped also greatly devalue and don't have the same resale value.

gruez 5y ago
> They are only getting security updates that plug holes that allow an iDevice to be Jailbroken. They sadly don't get updates for the default apps like Safari or Photos. This seems to be contradicted by https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212341 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212341, which states it's getting security updates even for webkit.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  Yes, they do issue security updates for Webkit / Safari as even that can be exploited to Jailbreak a device. I was however talking about feature updates for the default apps. Currently bundled apps appear to be tied to ios updates.
  - slownews45 5y ago
    The idea that Android phones are getting these feature updates and iOS security updates is an absolute joke. Seriously. HTC Wildfire E3 just came out, running android 10. Released 2019. And chances of it getting updated to Android 11 (released 2020) or Android 12 and 13 (coming out in 2021 and 2022) are pretty much zilch. HTC U Play was on Android 6 maybe forever? Did they EVER release an update? It might STILL be stuck on Android 6. Do folks not understand the benefits of updating phones?
    - webmobdev 5y ago
      Disregarding the fact that even Google offers long-term updates for certain Android mobile phones, and even a small company like Jolla provided Sailfish OS updates for 7 years to its first phone, it's kind of disingenuous to highlight only those features of Android OS that make Apple's iDevices look good. I can also the throw the same argument back at you by pointing out that even if I can't update the Android OS on some devices, I can still update the default browser (Chrome) or even install a different browser, like Firefox, that is totally independent of the OS (unlike in ios where every browser is forced to use Safari / Webkit as the rendering engine, and thus will be stuck with an older version whenever Apple decides to not update it). The argument can even be stretched further - I can also buy an Android phone with an unlocked bootloader (like Sony Open Devices phones) and install other Android and other mobile OSes on it too, if I so desire. When compared with that perspective, don't some Android phones seem better than Apple's iDevices? Anyway, that isn't the point - the criticism here is that Apple users like me are demanding more from Apple are not satisfied with their current practices.