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So much this. If it ran Windows 10, I'd not only own it, I'd be excited to own it. There's just nothing exciting about anything iOS or Android is doing. They're

So much this. If it ran Windows 10, I'd not only own it, I'd be excited to own it. There's just nothing exciting about anything iOS or Android is doing. They're just phones. What's frustrating is that Microsoft is in this incredibly deep rut with their OS team and haven't been able to dig themselves out. Each successive alternative flavor of 10 has failed to launch for years, including this month's death of 10X. As much as I'd love a Duo running Windows 10, if it had waited for a Windows OS to run on it, it never would've launched at all.

swiley 5y ago
It's odd that they haven't tried shipping a RedHat/Ubuntu derivative instead then.
- ocdtrekkie 5y ago
  I mean, the issue is that their own previous attempt, Windows Mobile, was a high quality, competent OS platform. And it's largest issue was that you couldn't get Google apps on it because Google's a monopolist. Pushing a different OS that doesn't have Google app support doesn't really move the needle.
  - swiley 5y ago
    Considering Microsoft's OS has it's own (much larger) app ecosystem this seems like a pretty strange complaint.
    - neogodless 5y ago
      If I understand correctly, they are referring to Windows Phone 7/8/10 which had a store and some apps, but things like Gmail and YouTube were actively blocked but Google to make life difficult for Microsoft and the consumers choosing Windows Phone. Simular things happened with Snapchat and Instagram. No first party support, and third party apps for blocked from their APIs. Windows Mobile was kind of before the time of Google / Android apps. Neither WM or WP could run Win32 apps though, so ultimately the software ecosystem was very limited.
zeusk 5y ago
death of 10X, leadership would like us to believe was more so because of COVID and their concern around less consumer confidence during a pandemic. Obviously, that didn't really happen since prices are through the roof for cars, houses, gpu, gaming consoles etc.
- throwaway3699 5y ago
  > Obviously, that didn't really happen since prices are through the roof for cars, houses, gpu, gaming consoles etc. Which can be indicative of supply crunch, rather than high demand.
  - zeusk 5y ago
    demand being higher than expected is what causes supply crunch. Most management people I knew were very pessimistic right around when lockdowns started in March.

swiley 5y ago

It's odd that they haven't tried shipping a RedHat/Ubuntu derivative instead then.

ocdtrekkie 5y ago
I mean, the issue is that their own previous attempt, Windows Mobile, was a high quality, competent OS platform. And it's largest issue was that you couldn't get Google apps on it because Google's a monopolist. Pushing a different OS that doesn't have Google app support doesn't really move the needle.
- swiley 5y ago
  Considering Microsoft's OS has it's own (much larger) app ecosystem this seems like a pretty strange complaint.
  - neogodless 5y ago
    If I understand correctly, they are referring to Windows Phone 7/8/10 which had a store and some apps, but things like Gmail and YouTube were actively blocked but Google to make life difficult for Microsoft and the consumers choosing Windows Phone. Simular things happened with Snapchat and Instagram. No first party support, and third party apps for blocked from their APIs. Windows Mobile was kind of before the time of Google / Android apps. Neither WM or WP could run Win32 apps though, so ultimately the software ecosystem was very limited.

zeusk 5y ago

death of 10X, leadership would like us to believe was more so because of COVID and their concern around less consumer confidence during a pandemic. Obviously, that didn't really happen since prices are through the roof for cars, houses, gpu, gaming consoles etc.

throwaway3699 5y ago
> Obviously, that didn't really happen since prices are through the roof for cars, houses, gpu, gaming consoles etc. Which can be indicative of supply crunch, rather than high demand.
- zeusk 5y ago
  demand being higher than expected is what causes supply crunch. Most management people I knew were very pessimistic right around when lockdowns started in March.