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MS don’t deserve .NET developers who want to get better, because MS aims at developers who don’t want to get better. just developers who want to stay where they

by djacobs 15y ago

MS don’t deserve .NET developers who want to get better, because MS aims at developers who don’t want to get better. just developers who want to stay where they are and have a job until they die. Coming from the Ruby community, this is a little surprising. I know everyone rags on Microsoft for being the man, but certainly they aim for more than the status quo, no?

colin_jack 15y ago
I'm a .NET dev now looking at Ruby etc and honestly no I don't think MS do try to move beyond the status quo, or more correctly I guess Roy hit the nail on the head in that the advancement is often of the "new sharepoint 2013" variety rather than advancing practices or really useful functionality. Some will argue things are more advanced now (ALT.NET, OSS, packagement in NuGet/OpenWrap) but I think Roy hits the nail on the head in terms of the speed of change in say Ruby/node.js communities as compared to .NET.
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mendicant 15y ago
They don't. I've been watching intently as a .net dev for the last few years and MS doesn't play a leadership game of any sort. They aim for the lowest common demoninator and their framework development is "me too" development. They wait and see what is popular and after it has shown it's worth, they spend the next few years catching up to the community. Except they always add their own MS flavor to pollute it. Case in point: the enum designer for Entity Framework. And the worst part? People eat that stuff up. There is and has been .Net communities outside of Microsoft but it is terribly difficult and frustrating to try and turn the tide. Most of the communities wither up and die as they discover the power of other communities they are trying to emulate. It ends up being easier to switch (or do both) than to turn the tide. Frankly, I don't blame them. I've given up trying for change. My influence isn't large enough. I'll likely move on at my first opportunity. I still like c# an will keep it in my toolbox. I just feel like it's starting to be a burden more than a boon for learning. Not that there isn't opportunity, there's just more elsewhere. And I have more fun when learning. I wish it wasn't the way it was but I have a feeling it's not going to improve. For another 3 or 4 years.... At which point they'll have caught up to where everyone else is now.

by djacobs 15y ago

colin_jack 15y ago

I'm a .NET dev now looking at Ruby etc and honestly no I don't think MS do try to move beyond the status quo, or more correctly I guess Roy hit the nail on the head in that the advancement is often of the "new sharepoint 2013" variety rather than advancing practices or really useful functionality. Some will argue things are more advanced now (ALT.NET, OSS, packagement in NuGet/OpenWrap) but I think Roy hits the nail on the head in terms of the speed of change in say Ruby/node.js communities as compared to .NET.

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mendicant 15y ago

They don't. I've been watching intently as a .net dev for the last few years and MS doesn't play a leadership game of any sort. They aim for the lowest common demoninator and their framework development is "me too" development. They wait and see what is popular and after it has shown it's worth, they spend the next few years catching up to the community. Except they always add their own MS flavor to pollute it. Case in point: the enum designer for Entity Framework. And the worst part? People eat that stuff up. There is and has been .Net communities outside of Microsoft but it is terribly difficult and frustrating to try and turn the tide. Most of the communities wither up and die as they discover the power of other communities they are trying to emulate. It ends up being easier to switch (or do both) than to turn the tide. Frankly, I don't blame them. I've given up trying for change. My influence isn't large enough. I'll likely move on at my first opportunity. I still like c# an will keep it in my toolbox. I just feel like it's starting to be a burden more than a boon for learning. Not that there isn't opportunity, there's just more elsewhere. And I have more fun when learning. I wish it wasn't the way it was but I have a feeling it's not going to improve. For another 3 or 4 years.... At which point they'll have caught up to where everyone else is now.