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> Male-to-female athletes likely have an advantage over female athletes There's no evidence of this. EDIT: If you think trans athletes have an advantage try f

by DanBC 5y ago

> Male-to-female athletes likely have an advantage over female athletes There's no evidence of this. EDIT: If you think trans athletes have an advantage try finding some trans athlete who demonstrates this.

s9w 5y ago
They are still guys. There's at least dozens, probably hundreds of examples.
- DanBC 5y ago
  Your inability to name any of them has been noted. The fact that some cunts felt your comment was worthy of [vouching] despite your vile comment history tells us all we need to know about this cess pit.
Dobbs 5y ago
HN is too toxic, and too wrapped up in their devil advocating for things they don't understand nor care to understand to have this kind of conversation with. Sorry you are getting downvoted for saying something that goes against "common sense" even if it the truth of the mater.
- caddemon 5y ago
  I've been told to think of trans people as always being their true gender, from birth. Which makes perfect sense to me, but then that contradicts this discussion of athletics. Clearly there will be some points in time when the trans woman athlete had a biological advantage over other women, but that doesn't mean they weren't a woman at that time too.
- DanBC 5y ago
  Tildes is more conducive to rational discussion about trans people. People are more willing to read the science and less likely to knee-jerk their ignorant hateful opinions.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  Toxic is calling other people toxic for not following your emotional opinions. It's incontestable that male-to-female trans have an unfair physical advantage over females, take the case of Fallon Fox, the MMA female trans fighter who has fractured the skull of female rivals. Having trans females fight biological females is unethical.
  - Dobbs 5y ago
    Except nothing you said is true. Fallon Fox has not caused more head injuries than is statistically likely for MMA. There is no actual evidence of trans women having an oversized advantage in sports and when it has been tried to be studied has had mixed results at best. Additionally despite trans people being allowed to compete in the olympics for over a decade it has been basically non existent. Things that seem “common sense” often are far more complicated then they seem on the surface. Should trans people partake in youth sports? Maybe sorta, with restrictions it depends. Should adult trans women be allowed to partake in sports, probably yes after sufficient time on hormones as the limited data we have says it isn’t a significant advantage, or may be a disadvantage. That said we should study and learn. This conversation is toxic because people who don’t understand the subject matter come in and say things they don’t understand and continually insult and degrade a vulnerable minority.
    - ASalazarMX 5y ago
      I seriously don't understand why are you defending that trans-women don't have a physical advantage against women? The article is about post-puberty trans women dominating the first places. High-performance athletes train hard, but also have an innate biological advantage that gives them that slight edge to reach the podium. Post-puberty trans women had their innate biological advantage growing male, and hormone replacement can lessen, but not fully revert that.
      - lumberingjack 5y ago
        Some of the male to female trans gender converts have even stated it themselves that they couldn't cut it in men's sports but they can make a living in women's sports.
leephillips 5y ago
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighte...
rtya 5y ago
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 Conclusion: "We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 10–50% performance advantage, is lacking."

by DanBC 5y ago

s9w 5y ago

They are still guys. There's at least dozens, probably hundreds of examples.

DanBC 5y ago
Your inability to name any of them has been noted. The fact that some cunts felt your comment was worthy of [vouching] despite your vile comment history tells us all we need to know about this cess pit.

Dobbs 5y ago

HN is too toxic, and too wrapped up in their devil advocating for things they don't understand nor care to understand to have this kind of conversation with. Sorry you are getting downvoted for saying something that goes against "common sense" even if it the truth of the mater.

caddemon 5y ago
I've been told to think of trans people as always being their true gender, from birth. Which makes perfect sense to me, but then that contradicts this discussion of athletics. Clearly there will be some points in time when the trans woman athlete had a biological advantage over other women, but that doesn't mean they weren't a woman at that time too.
DanBC 5y ago
Tildes is more conducive to rational discussion about trans people. People are more willing to read the science and less likely to knee-jerk their ignorant hateful opinions.
ASalazarMX 5y ago
Toxic is calling other people toxic for not following your emotional opinions. It's incontestable that male-to-female trans have an unfair physical advantage over females, take the case of Fallon Fox, the MMA female trans fighter who has fractured the skull of female rivals. Having trans females fight biological females is unethical.
- Dobbs 5y ago
  Except nothing you said is true. Fallon Fox has not caused more head injuries than is statistically likely for MMA. There is no actual evidence of trans women having an oversized advantage in sports and when it has been tried to be studied has had mixed results at best. Additionally despite trans people being allowed to compete in the olympics for over a decade it has been basically non existent. Things that seem “common sense” often are far more complicated then they seem on the surface. Should trans people partake in youth sports? Maybe sorta, with restrictions it depends. Should adult trans women be allowed to partake in sports, probably yes after sufficient time on hormones as the limited data we have says it isn’t a significant advantage, or may be a disadvantage. That said we should study and learn. This conversation is toxic because people who don’t understand the subject matter come in and say things they don’t understand and continually insult and degrade a vulnerable minority.
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    I seriously don't understand why are you defending that trans-women don't have a physical advantage against women? The article is about post-puberty trans women dominating the first places. High-performance athletes train hard, but also have an innate biological advantage that gives them that slight edge to reach the podium. Post-puberty trans women had their innate biological advantage growing male, and hormone replacement can lessen, but not fully revert that.
    - lumberingjack 5y ago
      Some of the male to female trans gender converts have even stated it themselves that they couldn't cut it in men's sports but they can make a living in women's sports.

leephillips 5y ago

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighte...

rtya 5y ago

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 Conclusion: "We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 10–50% performance advantage, is lacking."