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I understand the anger against Ryanair aloofness and its dictatorship compliance, but I think it's diverting energy from the real culprits, which are the kidnap

I understand the anger against Ryanair aloofness and its dictatorship compliance, but I think it's diverting energy from the real culprits, which are the kidnappers and their boss.

3327 5y ago
Well, EU skies are no longer safe. If a journalist can be picked up, anyone can be. Ryann air is at fault, pilot really is - he could have kept his course. It would be a game of chicken and risky. So hard to say what is right wrong here. Most importantly, its the fact that EU is weak and Belarus did the math and concluded they would get away with it. Simple As that.
- hartleybrody 5y ago
  Pilot was told their flight was being diverted due to a suspected bomb on board. What "game of chicken" would make a pilot doubt that instruction and chose to keep flying, given what the information they were being presented at the time? It's not like they called to the plane and said "we'd like to kidnap a passenger, please land" and the pilot went along with it.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    The game of chicken was "divert to an airport that's further away than your intended destination or we will shoot you down". What would make the pilot doubt the instruction would be the fact that the diversion airport was significantly further away: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/FR4978-Cover-Image-1132x600.jpg https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/0...
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      The game of chicken was ... to obey the request of the ATC of the airspace that the aircraft was in. It's _normal_ to do that.
- sccxy 5y ago
  How can it be pilots fault? Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story. EU and NATO must show their strength now, it is not up to Ryanair anymore.
  - app4soft 5y ago
    > Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story MH17 is not related in any way to "bomb on a board" cases. Russian state terrorists, invaded in Ukraine, shot down MH17 using surface-to-air missile.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
    - sccxy 5y ago
      So state shot down passenger plane. Thank god that it did not happen to Ryanair.
    - fredgrott 5y ago
      the intercepting MIG the pilot had to consider says otherwise
- kristiandupont 5y ago
  >Ryann air is at fault, pilot really is - he could have kept his course. It boggles my mind that anyone would think like this.
  - 3327 5y ago
    Yeah all the know-alot armchair HN sheep heard echo chamber echoes “pilot had no choice”. There is always a choice, and the latest information (3 days later) show he had more of a choice than previously disclosed.
- chippiewill 5y ago
  There was a MiG that forced the plane to divert. I don't think you can blame the pilot for not rolling that dice.
- snvzz 5y ago
  Pilot didn't have a decision to make there. There's clear guidelines on how to act in the event of interception. He just followed them to the T.
baybal2 5y ago
Yes, totally so. The count to number of citizens of ex-Union countries killed on NATO turfs is now in hundreds. I'd say you are more likely to be shot/strangled to death/stabbed/poisoned/blow up in Europe than back home. Total impunity, and an obligatory "serious concern"
SyzygistSix 5y ago
I agree but I don't feel like I can use their service in good conscience now.
praptak 5y ago
The chain of real culprits doesn't even end in Belarus. Russia officials have now fully supported Belarus and their supposed right to do as they please with planes in their airspace. And yet the West are still happily doing business with them - see Biden lifting sanctions on Nord Stream 2.
publicola1990 5y ago
Israel very well could do something similar to get someone they wanted badly, but if they did it will it be greeted by a similar reaction?
- Synaesthesia 5y ago
  They have already in the past. Taken hostages from Lebanese boats.

I understand the anger against Ryanair aloofness and its dictatorship compliance, but I think it's diverting energy from the real culprits, which are the kidnappers and their boss.

3327 5y ago

Well, EU skies are no longer safe. If a journalist can be picked up, anyone can be. Ryann air is at fault, pilot really is - he could have kept his course. It would be a game of chicken and risky. So hard to say what is right wrong here. Most importantly, its the fact that EU is weak and Belarus did the math and concluded they would get away with it. Simple As that.

hartleybrody 5y ago
Pilot was told their flight was being diverted due to a suspected bomb on board. What "game of chicken" would make a pilot doubt that instruction and chose to keep flying, given what the information they were being presented at the time? It's not like they called to the plane and said "we'd like to kidnap a passenger, please land" and the pilot went along with it.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  The game of chicken was "divert to an airport that's further away than your intended destination or we will shoot you down". What would make the pilot doubt the instruction would be the fact that the diversion airport was significantly further away: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/FR4978-Cover-Image-1132x600.jpg https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/0...
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    The game of chicken was ... to obey the request of the ATC of the airspace that the aircraft was in. It's _normal_ to do that.
sccxy 5y ago
How can it be pilots fault? Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story. EU and NATO must show their strength now, it is not up to Ryanair anymore.
- app4soft 5y ago
  > Avoiding that request could have been another MH17 story MH17 is not related in any way to "bomb on a board" cases. Russian state terrorists, invaded in Ukraine, shot down MH17 using surface-to-air missile.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
  - sccxy 5y ago
    So state shot down passenger plane. Thank god that it did not happen to Ryanair.
  - fredgrott 5y ago
    the intercepting MIG the pilot had to consider says otherwise
kristiandupont 5y ago
>Ryann air is at fault, pilot really is - he could have kept his course. It boggles my mind that anyone would think like this.
- 3327 5y ago
  Yeah all the know-alot armchair HN sheep heard echo chamber echoes “pilot had no choice”. There is always a choice, and the latest information (3 days later) show he had more of a choice than previously disclosed.
chippiewill 5y ago
There was a MiG that forced the plane to divert. I don't think you can blame the pilot for not rolling that dice.
snvzz 5y ago
Pilot didn't have a decision to make there. There's clear guidelines on how to act in the event of interception. He just followed them to the T.

baybal2 5y ago

Yes, totally so. The count to number of citizens of ex-Union countries killed on NATO turfs is now in hundreds. I'd say you are more likely to be shot/strangled to death/stabbed/poisoned/blow up in Europe than back home. Total impunity, and an obligatory "serious concern"

SyzygistSix 5y ago

I agree but I don't feel like I can use their service in good conscience now.

praptak 5y ago

The chain of real culprits doesn't even end in Belarus. Russia officials have now fully supported Belarus and their supposed right to do as they please with planes in their airspace. And yet the West are still happily doing business with them - see Biden lifting sanctions on Nord Stream 2.

publicola1990 5y ago

Israel very well could do something similar to get someone they wanted badly, but if they did it will it be greeted by a similar reaction?

Synaesthesia 5y ago
They have already in the past. Taken hostages from Lebanese boats.