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Well, why would you then consider Python to be familiar?

by Rochus 5y ago

oblio 5y ago
Because Python is 100000x more popular than Pascal in 2021?
- germandiago 5y ago
  You make a good point. I started my Computer Science and Engineering degree (I am european, not american, so the equivalent looks like kind of a merge of both areas) with Python, C and C++ on the programming side. Pascal was discarded a few years back in my university. And yes, by familiar I mean exactly what you mean: you see nowadays Java, Python, C++, C, C#, but Pascal is disappeared. Disappeared since long ago since I do not know even the syntax myself by casual reading around.
- Rochus 5y ago
  Python syntax is more similar to Pascal than to e.g. Java or JS. "Modula-3 is the origin of the syntax and semantics used for exceptions, and some other Python features." (from https://docs.python.org/3/faq/general.html#why-was-python-created-in-the-first-place https://docs.python.org/3/faq/general.html#why-was-python-cr...). Also the predecessor languages ABC and SETL were in the Algol tradition. > Python is 100000x more popular than Pascal It's about factor 8 on https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ or factor 3 (in score) on https://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-the-top-programming-languages-2020 https://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-the-top-program..., whatever you prefer as a reference. Delphi (which is Object Pascal) is still a widely used language.
  - oblio 5y ago
    I generally go by job listings. It's trivial to find Python jobs, Pascal/Delphi jobs are very rare.
    - Rochus 5y ago
      Maybe you can post a link to a job site where there are 100000x more Python than Pascal/Delphi/Ada jobs. Btw. you can filter the IEEE ranking by jobs which seems to correspond well with what I see on monster or indeed. Anyway, the discussion was about whether the Lua or Pascal style syntax is unfamiliar or not.
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jcelerier 5y ago
If coming from C++ I definitely wouldn't, especially the module system and reference binding in python is WEIRD. I'd say C, C#, maybe D and Java would fit ? My criterion would be "can a new grad student who only learned c++ be productive in a couple days"
- Rochus 5y ago
  There may be a difference between your view and that of the majority of developers. My primary language is also C++, but languages of the Pascal family (to which Python is related) remain very popular.

Well, why would you then consider Python to be familiar?

by Rochus 5y ago

Well, why would you then consider Python to be familiar?

oblio 5y ago

Because Python is 100000x more popular than Pascal in 2021?

germandiago 5y ago
You make a good point. I started my Computer Science and Engineering degree (I am european, not american, so the equivalent looks like kind of a merge of both areas) with Python, C and C++ on the programming side. Pascal was discarded a few years back in my university. And yes, by familiar I mean exactly what you mean: you see nowadays Java, Python, C++, C, C#, but Pascal is disappeared. Disappeared since long ago since I do not know even the syntax myself by casual reading around.
Rochus 5y ago
Python syntax is more similar to Pascal than to e.g. Java or JS. "Modula-3 is the origin of the syntax and semantics used for exceptions, and some other Python features." (from https://docs.python.org/3/faq/general.html#why-was-python-created-in-the-first-place https://docs.python.org/3/faq/general.html#why-was-python-cr...). Also the predecessor languages ABC and SETL were in the Algol tradition. > Python is 100000x more popular than Pascal It's about factor 8 on https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ or factor 3 (in score) on https://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-the-top-programming-languages-2020 https://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-the-top-program..., whatever you prefer as a reference. Delphi (which is Object Pascal) is still a widely used language.
- oblio 5y ago
  I generally go by job listings. It's trivial to find Python jobs, Pascal/Delphi jobs are very rare.
  - Rochus 5y ago
    Maybe you can post a link to a job site where there are 100000x more Python than Pascal/Delphi/Ada jobs. Btw. you can filter the IEEE ranking by jobs which seems to correspond well with what I see on monster or indeed. Anyway, the discussion was about whether the Lua or Pascal style syntax is unfamiliar or not.

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jcelerier 5y ago

If coming from C++ I definitely wouldn't, especially the module system and reference binding in python is WEIRD. I'd say C, C#, maybe D and Java would fit ? My criterion would be "can a new grad student who only learned c++ be productive in a couple days"

Rochus 5y ago
There may be a difference between your view and that of the majority of developers. My primary language is also C++, but languages of the Pascal family (to which Python is related) remain very popular.