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Nothing material is going happen as Germany needs that gas pipe. It's obvious from the news that this hijack was done together with Russia.

redleader55 5y ago
Germany insistence on closing nuclear power plants is doing Europe a lot of harm. It opens up one of the great powers of Europe to be controlled by Russia.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  It's just making an option for energy cheaper. Russia needs it too, since they can't sell with profits internally. From my POV, it's just an additional option you get to sanction them with if they are acting in bad faith ( again) while getting cheaper options.
  - intricatedetail 5y ago
    That's akin to approving products made using forced labour because they are cheaper. I think international community needs to shut down this little German-Russia thing going on. If we can learn anything from the history, such alliance never ended well for the rest of Europe.
    - aivisol 5y ago
      International community just lifted sanctions against this little thing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674
  - KptMarchewa 5y ago
    The only option it gives is to shut down gas for Ukraine while supplying their friends in Germany.
- xvilka 5y ago
  France is much smarter in this regard. They are pushing nuclear and successful in that. This is why Germany buys electricity from them.
romanovcode 5y ago
Germany has general election this September and since Merkel is gone for good there is a huge possibility that the CDU (the majority party for several years now and was in favor of NordStream) will lose to green party. Green party is completely against NordStream2. So things might actually change. But then again, it is easy to criticize when you are not in power.
- redleader55 5y ago
  My feeling as someone looking from outside, is that Merkel was forced to continue and buy gas from Russia because of the public outcry against nuclear power following the Fukushima disaster. The Green party might not be so eager to support nuclear, either. So then, without nuclear, without gas, there isn't a lot of choice for Germany in terms of energy.
  - romanovcode 5y ago
    Probably you're right, however if they win and suddenly start supporting russian gas they would be looking like complete hyporcites.
  - tremon 5y ago
    Merkel has done plenty of things without major public support. She could have declared "wir schaffen es mit Atomkraft" and the country would likely have accepted that.
- eplanit 5y ago
  Germany should really consider term limits for the bundestag and chancellor. Allowing a single politician to rule the country for an entire generation is absurd.
  - romanovcode 5y ago
    The limit is not set, however chancellor must be voted in every 46 to 48 months. However your second point is not correct at all, Germany had made their beurocracy specifically in such a way after WW2 that one person cannot dictate/rule the country. Every decision must pass through appropreate ministries first. This is one of the reasons COVID vaccination rollout was so slow in the beginning but after all the "approvals" were met they are vaccinating ~1m people a day. Chancellor in Germany is not even close to power of President in US, for example.
jeroenhd 5y ago
As much as I despise the Russian regime, the American sabotage of that project aren't much better. Power to Germany if they decide to choose which party they hand control to. At least this way the American influences are limited because of competition in the energy space. With the US desperately clinging to remain their control over the European energy market, Russia's attempts to take their place and Germany's nonsensical denouncement of nuclear energy, the entire project is a cesspool of power struggles and corruption. I don't find Russian involvement very believable. Belarus don't need Russia to force a plane to land, they can do their own state-funded terrorism like any dictatorship.
casept 5y ago
The central government doesn't even want that pipe all that badly anymore, it's mostly the clowns governing the federal state of Mecklenburg-Prepommerania who want to continue.

redleader55 5y ago

Germany insistence on closing nuclear power plants is doing Europe a lot of harm. It opens up one of the great powers of Europe to be controlled by Russia.

NicoJuicy 5y ago
It's just making an option for energy cheaper. Russia needs it too, since they can't sell with profits internally. From my POV, it's just an additional option you get to sanction them with if they are acting in bad faith ( again) while getting cheaper options.
- intricatedetail 5y ago
  That's akin to approving products made using forced labour because they are cheaper. I think international community needs to shut down this little German-Russia thing going on. If we can learn anything from the history, such alliance never ended well for the rest of Europe.
  - aivisol 5y ago
    International community just lifted sanctions against this little thing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674
- KptMarchewa 5y ago
  The only option it gives is to shut down gas for Ukraine while supplying their friends in Germany.
xvilka 5y ago
France is much smarter in this regard. They are pushing nuclear and successful in that. This is why Germany buys electricity from them.

romanovcode 5y ago

Germany has general election this September and since Merkel is gone for good there is a huge possibility that the CDU (the majority party for several years now and was in favor of NordStream) will lose to green party. Green party is completely against NordStream2. So things might actually change. But then again, it is easy to criticize when you are not in power.

redleader55 5y ago
My feeling as someone looking from outside, is that Merkel was forced to continue and buy gas from Russia because of the public outcry against nuclear power following the Fukushima disaster. The Green party might not be so eager to support nuclear, either. So then, without nuclear, without gas, there isn't a lot of choice for Germany in terms of energy.
- romanovcode 5y ago
  Probably you're right, however if they win and suddenly start supporting russian gas they would be looking like complete hyporcites.
- tremon 5y ago
  Merkel has done plenty of things without major public support. She could have declared "wir schaffen es mit Atomkraft" and the country would likely have accepted that.
eplanit 5y ago
Germany should really consider term limits for the bundestag and chancellor. Allowing a single politician to rule the country for an entire generation is absurd.
- romanovcode 5y ago
  The limit is not set, however chancellor must be voted in every 46 to 48 months. However your second point is not correct at all, Germany had made their beurocracy specifically in such a way after WW2 that one person cannot dictate/rule the country. Every decision must pass through appropreate ministries first. This is one of the reasons COVID vaccination rollout was so slow in the beginning but after all the "approvals" were met they are vaccinating ~1m people a day. Chancellor in Germany is not even close to power of President in US, for example.

jeroenhd 5y ago

As much as I despise the Russian regime, the American sabotage of that project aren't much better. Power to Germany if they decide to choose which party they hand control to. At least this way the American influences are limited because of competition in the energy space. With the US desperately clinging to remain their control over the European energy market, Russia's attempts to take their place and Germany's nonsensical denouncement of nuclear energy, the entire project is a cesspool of power struggles and corruption. I don't find Russian involvement very believable. Belarus don't need Russia to force a plane to land, they can do their own state-funded terrorism like any dictatorship.

casept 5y ago

The central government doesn't even want that pipe all that badly anymore, it's mostly the clowns governing the federal state of Mecklenburg-Prepommerania who want to continue.