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I think Apple really considers this a store. If we compare to Walmart, I’d say 2 out of 3 are obviously the way it works. When selling in Walmart, they won’t l

I think Apple really considers this a store. If we compare to Walmart, I’d say 2 out of 3 are obviously the way it works. When selling in Walmart, they won’t let you advertise that you can buy the same product cheaper elsewhere. They also want their distribution deal with you a secret. You don’t go post your terms of engagement with Walmart on your corporate blog if you expect to keep selling stuff in Walmart. The pricing is where things start to change and I think I agree with you that it’s a step too far.

ksec 5y ago
This Walmart store analogy often over simplifies the problem that is not accurate in the grand scheme of things. Everything about the Walmart as a "store" in the above are correct. Except iOS is also a "State", and this State only accept one "store". While in the Walmart example, which is a real world example, one could always expect you to open a Store next to Walmart selling exactly the same thing with a lower price. The Store, The State ( Platform ) , Judiciary ( App Store Rules ) are all interlinked together. You cant compare one thing without mentioning the other. And that is not even including the payment processing.
- Terretta 5y ago
  Perhaps it’s more like Costco’s decade(s) of “you can only pay with Amex”. Visa card holders could not shop there. You want to use a Visa, you find a Sam’s Club. Don’t like state of iOS, travel to territory of Android.
  - ksec 5y ago
    Well that would be payment processing with Amex. You are still allowed to go to Sam's Club next door, or Sam's Club ( Store ) opening one close to Costco. >Don’t like state of iOS, travel to territory of Android. Except the "State" of iOS currently holds close to 70% of Smartphone user in US with close to 80% of the spending. You are basically telling business to either comply with the "State" or go else where. Which is why something "above" the state has to come in. I am not arguing for or against opening or side loading App Store. But there are no competition on each of those different levels. Which Apple likes to lump it all together as one thing. And this idea shouldn't be hard to grasp.
jbergens 5y ago
I find that analogy very bad. It would be more like you buy a Sodastream (that can make carborated water). When you want to refill it you have to go back to Walmart. You are not allowed to go to any other store, including Sodastream. Even if you order a refill gas bottle from Sodastream directly the payment will have to go through Walmart since you bought the machine there a long time ago. And they will add 30% to the price.
notSupplied 5y ago
Yes, but after you take the product home from Walmart, and open the packaging, a little card slips out with more deals from the manufacturer…deals that are neither controlled nor raked by Walmart. The app upselling you on more features afterwards is equivalent to that. Apples view would only make sense if even when inside the app, you’re STILL in the store. Because to Apple, the AppStore is not Walmart, the iPhone is Walmart. You never leave.

ksec 5y ago

This Walmart store analogy often over simplifies the problem that is not accurate in the grand scheme of things. Everything about the Walmart as a "store" in the above are correct. Except iOS is also a "State", and this State only accept one "store". While in the Walmart example, which is a real world example, one could always expect you to open a Store next to Walmart selling exactly the same thing with a lower price. The Store, The State ( Platform ) , Judiciary ( App Store Rules ) are all interlinked together. You cant compare one thing without mentioning the other. And that is not even including the payment processing.

Terretta 5y ago
Perhaps it’s more like Costco’s decade(s) of “you can only pay with Amex”. Visa card holders could not shop there. You want to use a Visa, you find a Sam’s Club. Don’t like state of iOS, travel to territory of Android.
- ksec 5y ago
  Well that would be payment processing with Amex. You are still allowed to go to Sam's Club next door, or Sam's Club ( Store ) opening one close to Costco. >Don’t like state of iOS, travel to territory of Android. Except the "State" of iOS currently holds close to 70% of Smartphone user in US with close to 80% of the spending. You are basically telling business to either comply with the "State" or go else where. Which is why something "above" the state has to come in. I am not arguing for or against opening or side loading App Store. But there are no competition on each of those different levels. Which Apple likes to lump it all together as one thing. And this idea shouldn't be hard to grasp.

jbergens 5y ago

I find that analogy very bad. It would be more like you buy a Sodastream (that can make carborated water). When you want to refill it you have to go back to Walmart. You are not allowed to go to any other store, including Sodastream. Even if you order a refill gas bottle from Sodastream directly the payment will have to go through Walmart since you bought the machine there a long time ago. And they will add 30% to the price.

notSupplied 5y ago

Yes, but after you take the product home from Walmart, and open the packaging, a little card slips out with more deals from the manufacturer…deals that are neither controlled nor raked by Walmart. The app upselling you on more features afterwards is equivalent to that. Apples view would only make sense if even when inside the app, you’re STILL in the store. Because to Apple, the AppStore is not Walmart, the iPhone is Walmart. You never leave.