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The only other company I could think of that is playing in this privacy game is: Signal. And well they are a nonprofit and they prove that privacy is not only m

The only other company I could think of that is playing in this privacy game is: Signal. And well they are a nonprofit and they prove that privacy is not only made affordable for the rich and affluent and anyone can have private communication whether they donate to Signal or not.

theshrike79 5y ago
And Signal still leaks phone numbers to people, that's why I refuse use it for group chats. For encrypted 1-1 with people I already know it's fine though.
- trapped 5y ago
  Better than Zynga, right? Corporation which has leaked kids data. Clones games, manipulates kids and adults in spending thousands of $$$ on virtual things, screwed employees from stock compensation. It's easy to criticize, right? Signal and Apple are at-least doing better than Zynga.
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    Are you OK? Everything good at home?
    - trapped 5y ago
      All good at home, thanks for asking. Just pointing out that it's easy to point fingers and criticize. If you really believe in values or a cause then work for it. Right? Both Apple and Signal whom you are criticizing are doing much better for humanity than Zynga.
      - theshrike79 5y ago
        I'm a bit lost, how does Zynga come into play here?
    - dang 5y ago
      Please don't cross into personal attack in HN comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - theshrike79 5y ago
        The dude pretty much doxxed me and got under my skin a bit, sorry. (One needs to dig a bit further than just clicking on my HN bio to figure out where I work...)
        dang 5y ago
        I'm not sure I've understood correctly, but if https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27282083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27282083 is what happened, then yes, that is absolutely not ok.
  - dang 5y ago
    I'm not sure if this is what happened, but if you tracked down where someone works and are using that to attack them, that is a serious abuse and the sort of thing we ban accounts for—so please don't do anything like that on HN. (If you didn't do anything like that, ignore this comment.) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22personal%20details%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dheera 5y ago
  Get a Twilio number and use it for pretty much everything. Twilio is awesome, I even have my Twilio workflow configured to receive "2FA" calls and hit the # key without my intervention, and I have it set up mess with unknown callers by putting them on hold indefinitely with music.
  - wyre 5y ago
    Wouldn’t using Twilio effect the security of 2FA?
    - dheera 5y ago
      Yes, but I don't do phone-based 2FA; I only use U2F or TOTP. When I have a massive, immobile desktop in front of me it makes no sense that the desktop isn't the 2FA device, and that I'm asked to go search for an easy-to-steal tiny 5" device. Also, I don't believe in phone numbers being 1:1 correlated with a device; for convenience I should be able to take a call from any device that I happen to have with me. So phone numbers should never be used for 2FA IMO.
      - wyre 5y ago
        Why use 2FA at all then? It doesn’t seem like you’re gaining any security using it.
        dheera 5y ago
        They insist on it, not me. I'm all for 2FA if it uses U2F but if it's going to be phone-number based I'd rather pass. That isn't an option though, so I automate the phone response.
- trapped 5y ago
  Care to share evidence before making such allegations.
  - madars 5y ago
    https://community.signalusers.org/t/hide-phone-number-entirely-in-group-chats/17192/10 https://community.signalusers.org/t/hide-phone-number-entire...

theshrike79 5y ago

And Signal still leaks phone numbers to people, that's why I refuse use it for group chats. For encrypted 1-1 with people I already know it's fine though.

trapped 5y ago
Better than Zynga, right? Corporation which has leaked kids data. Clones games, manipulates kids and adults in spending thousands of $$$ on virtual things, screwed employees from stock compensation. It's easy to criticize, right? Signal and Apple are at-least doing better than Zynga.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  Are you OK? Everything good at home?
  - trapped 5y ago
    All good at home, thanks for asking. Just pointing out that it's easy to point fingers and criticize. If you really believe in values or a cause then work for it. Right? Both Apple and Signal whom you are criticizing are doing much better for humanity than Zynga.
    - theshrike79 5y ago
      I'm a bit lost, how does Zynga come into play here?
  - dang 5y ago
    Please don't cross into personal attack in HN comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - theshrike79 5y ago
      The dude pretty much doxxed me and got under my skin a bit, sorry. (One needs to dig a bit further than just clicking on my HN bio to figure out where I work...)
      - dang 5y ago
        I'm not sure I've understood correctly, but if https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27282083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27282083 is what happened, then yes, that is absolutely not ok.
- dang 5y ago
  I'm not sure if this is what happened, but if you tracked down where someone works and are using that to attack them, that is a serious abuse and the sort of thing we ban accounts for—so please don't do anything like that on HN. (If you didn't do anything like that, ignore this comment.) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22personal%20details%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dheera 5y ago
Get a Twilio number and use it for pretty much everything. Twilio is awesome, I even have my Twilio workflow configured to receive "2FA" calls and hit the # key without my intervention, and I have it set up mess with unknown callers by putting them on hold indefinitely with music.
- wyre 5y ago
  Wouldn’t using Twilio effect the security of 2FA?
  - dheera 5y ago
    Yes, but I don't do phone-based 2FA; I only use U2F or TOTP. When I have a massive, immobile desktop in front of me it makes no sense that the desktop isn't the 2FA device, and that I'm asked to go search for an easy-to-steal tiny 5" device. Also, I don't believe in phone numbers being 1:1 correlated with a device; for convenience I should be able to take a call from any device that I happen to have with me. So phone numbers should never be used for 2FA IMO.
    - wyre 5y ago
      Why use 2FA at all then? It doesn’t seem like you’re gaining any security using it.
      - dheera 5y ago
        They insist on it, not me. I'm all for 2FA if it uses U2F but if it's going to be phone-number based I'd rather pass. That isn't an option though, so I automate the phone response.
trapped 5y ago
Care to share evidence before making such allegations.
- madars 5y ago
  https://community.signalusers.org/t/hide-phone-number-entirely-in-group-chats/17192/10 https://community.signalusers.org/t/hide-phone-number-entire...