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I really do. It doesn't fix anything, only makes problems worse. Who cares that I can get a burrito delivered with a button press when people are starving and i

I really do. It doesn't fix anything, only makes problems worse. Who cares that I can get a burrito delivered with a button press when people are starving and inequality is only rising? Why does it not fix these problems and instead propagate them?

proc0 5y ago
Well, in theory the people starving are not under proper capitalism. Usually they're under some corrupt government that doesn't let small businesses thrive. You can't open businesses in those poor countries like you can in the US. Think about all the immigrants that are fighting to come to the US, and many of them end up having their own small business (many of which unfortunately had to close during last year, but that's a different matter). I don't disagree about the rampant inequality at the global scale, but the solution is not clear and definitely not simple, especially when factoring different nations, different peoples and cultures and styles of living. Ultimately capitalism is solving some problems, and I'm not sure that the problems it is not solving, are the ones it is creating. In other words, maybe these problems exist despite capitalism, and we need systems on top of it, not a replacement.
- Layke1123 5y ago
  "In theory"... Yet the whole world is suffering under capitalism.
  - proc0 5y ago
    Is it ALL under capitalism? The 20th century was an on-going battle to see what political system would take over, and capitalism took the lead, but it's NOT because it took over, but rather that the other systems collapsed under their own incompetence. Long story short, capitalism is the only known system that has at least produced some wealth, granted in the process also produced greater inequality, but again, I'm not convinced those problems are entirely due to capitalism, and it could well be the case that more wealth will always produce inequality until we find a new complementary system that doesn't attempt to undo capitalism and instead works alongside it.
    - Layke1123 5y ago
      But nothing has come along. Nothing is getting fixed. We can't even pass infrastructure bills in this country because half of it is fuckimg idiotic.

proc0 5y ago

Well, in theory the people starving are not under proper capitalism. Usually they're under some corrupt government that doesn't let small businesses thrive. You can't open businesses in those poor countries like you can in the US. Think about all the immigrants that are fighting to come to the US, and many of them end up having their own small business (many of which unfortunately had to close during last year, but that's a different matter). I don't disagree about the rampant inequality at the global scale, but the solution is not clear and definitely not simple, especially when factoring different nations, different peoples and cultures and styles of living. Ultimately capitalism is solving some problems, and I'm not sure that the problems it is not solving, are the ones it is creating. In other words, maybe these problems exist despite capitalism, and we need systems on top of it, not a replacement.

Layke1123 5y ago
"In theory"... Yet the whole world is suffering under capitalism.
- proc0 5y ago
  Is it ALL under capitalism? The 20th century was an on-going battle to see what political system would take over, and capitalism took the lead, but it's NOT because it took over, but rather that the other systems collapsed under their own incompetence. Long story short, capitalism is the only known system that has at least produced some wealth, granted in the process also produced greater inequality, but again, I'm not convinced those problems are entirely due to capitalism, and it could well be the case that more wealth will always produce inequality until we find a new complementary system that doesn't attempt to undo capitalism and instead works alongside it.
  - Layke1123 5y ago
    But nothing has come along. Nothing is getting fixed. We can't even pass infrastructure bills in this country because half of it is fuckimg idiotic.