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By your argument, piracy of digital media and software should be 100% legal because it's just exercising first amendment rights to share text in a file (which i

By your argument, piracy of digital media and software should be 100% legal because it's just exercising first amendment rights to share text in a file (which is ultimately what any software boils down to)? Come. On.

ripply 5y ago
I don’t think that’s analogous, with cryptocurrency you generate the text file from a random number generator or rolling dice, there is no issue with copyright for private keys. The courts have already ruled that copying DVD decryption keys is allowed under free speech.
c01n 5y ago
This is a deeply philosophical issue. Ideas can be encoded in text there are laws that protect ideas, but then there is rights such as free speech which are meant to protect what we say and how we express ourselves. From a socialism perspective ideas should belong to everyone, capitalism would say an individual has the right to own an idea from the set of all ideas if they discovered it, or own some text (code) from the set of all possible text.
- nybble41 5y ago
  > capitalism would say an individual has the right to own an idea "Capitalism" says no such thing. Property under capitalism is a consequence of scarcity; property rights exist specifically because a particular good cannot be expended for two different purposes at the same time. As such, someone must decide how the property will be used, and the entity with the right to make that decision is designated the owner. Ideas lack scarcity—the same idea can be used for any number of purposes simultaneously without being used up—and consequently are outside the capitalist definition of property. Assigning fake "ownership" privileges to ideas infringes on the exercise of actual property rights, effectively seizing private property (including capital) for public use to to implement a policy of subsidizing the creation of new copyrightable works or patentable inventions, which is an inherently socialist exercise of government power.
  - c01n 5y ago
    I never really understood this things. Thank you for clearing this up.
salawat 5y ago
>By your argument, piracy of digital media and software should be 100% legal because it's just exercising first amendment rights to share text in a file (which is ultimately what any software boils down to) Why, thank you, I didn't even have to spell it out for you. That's reasonable even if the extension to CSAM isn't. Binary streams should not come with impllicit legal chains. It's all math. Don't want it copied? Don't make it digital. The rest of the world shouldn't be held at gunpoint over your inability to cope with trivial reproduction of information. >Come on. You can have this back. Use it for a post that needs it.

ripply 5y ago

I don’t think that’s analogous, with cryptocurrency you generate the text file from a random number generator or rolling dice, there is no issue with copyright for private keys. The courts have already ruled that copying DVD decryption keys is allowed under free speech.

c01n 5y ago

This is a deeply philosophical issue. Ideas can be encoded in text there are laws that protect ideas, but then there is rights such as free speech which are meant to protect what we say and how we express ourselves. From a socialism perspective ideas should belong to everyone, capitalism would say an individual has the right to own an idea from the set of all ideas if they discovered it, or own some text (code) from the set of all possible text.

nybble41 5y ago
> capitalism would say an individual has the right to own an idea "Capitalism" says no such thing. Property under capitalism is a consequence of scarcity; property rights exist specifically because a particular good cannot be expended for two different purposes at the same time. As such, someone must decide how the property will be used, and the entity with the right to make that decision is designated the owner. Ideas lack scarcity—the same idea can be used for any number of purposes simultaneously without being used up—and consequently are outside the capitalist definition of property. Assigning fake "ownership" privileges to ideas infringes on the exercise of actual property rights, effectively seizing private property (including capital) for public use to to implement a policy of subsidizing the creation of new copyrightable works or patentable inventions, which is an inherently socialist exercise of government power.
- c01n 5y ago
  I never really understood this things. Thank you for clearing this up.

salawat 5y ago

>By your argument, piracy of digital media and software should be 100% legal because it's just exercising first amendment rights to share text in a file (which is ultimately what any software boils down to) Why, thank you, I didn't even have to spell it out for you. That's reasonable even if the extension to CSAM isn't. Binary streams should not come with impllicit legal chains. It's all math. Don't want it copied? Don't make it digital. The rest of the world shouldn't be held at gunpoint over your inability to cope with trivial reproduction of information. >Come on. You can have this back. Use it for a post that needs it.