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How does my comment significantly downplay "the extent to which it was her own hard work and good work attitude that got her to where she is now?" All I said wa

by Rariel 15y ago

How does my comment significantly downplay "the extent to which it was her own hard work and good work attitude that got her to where she is now?" All I said was that it is unnerving to see somebody who hasn't really had a chance to run in to the glass ceiling say it doesn't exist? She got to side step a lot of the sexism and discrimination other women face because of her sponsorship by powerful respected men. She was sponsored because she was/is exceptional. It doesn't change the fact that she was sponsored and got to side step certain aspects of the more traditional corporate experience many women go through. Sad to hear you think you lack the qualities that make her worth sponsoring but that isn't really relevant to this discussion.

burgerbrain 15y ago
Working hard and hoping you get noticed by the right people is how just about everybody gets ahead, regardless of reproductive organs. She didn't sidestep a thing. To be honest, this really seems like a sort of True Scotsman style argument to me. A woman handily succeeds where the "glass ceiling" theory says she shouldn't, but this is explained away as "her example doesn't count".
- Rariel 15y ago
  "Working hard and hoping you get noticed by the right people is how just about everybody gets ahead" I'd have to strongly disagree. There are plenty of people in this world (plenty at the top) who were born in to the right position and either worked hard to stay there (+connections/influence) or didn't work hard but still stayed there (connections/influence). Very few people are like Barrack Obama--come from the semi-bottom and are now extremely high up. More common are people like George Bush, Jr. and Al Gore. Both were born in to the right position and stayed there. Also, it's not that her example doesn't count, she's the exception--not the rule. How do we make her the rule is the question. There are many answers/ideas about that.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Anyone who succeeds as she has is an exception... As for being born into it, I consider that to be a form of nepotism and address it in my other posting.
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by Rariel 15y ago

burgerbrain 15y ago

Working hard and hoping you get noticed by the right people is how just about everybody gets ahead, regardless of reproductive organs. She didn't sidestep a thing. To be honest, this really seems like a sort of True Scotsman style argument to me. A woman handily succeeds where the "glass ceiling" theory says she shouldn't, but this is explained away as "her example doesn't count".

Rariel 15y ago
"Working hard and hoping you get noticed by the right people is how just about everybody gets ahead" I'd have to strongly disagree. There are plenty of people in this world (plenty at the top) who were born in to the right position and either worked hard to stay there (+connections/influence) or didn't work hard but still stayed there (connections/influence). Very few people are like Barrack Obama--come from the semi-bottom and are now extremely high up. More common are people like George Bush, Jr. and Al Gore. Both were born in to the right position and stayed there. Also, it's not that her example doesn't count, she's the exception--not the rule. How do we make her the rule is the question. There are many answers/ideas about that.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  Anyone who succeeds as she has is an exception... As for being born into it, I consider that to be a form of nepotism and address it in my other posting.
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