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I would think launching fighter jets to force the landing of a passenger plane is considered an act of aggression. How will that play out with NATO, of which th

I would think launching fighter jets to force the landing of a passenger plane is considered an act of aggression. How will that play out with NATO, of which the origin/destination countries are a part of?

kensai 5y ago
That as well. They freaking sent a MiG-29 to accompany the plane with the fake excuse to find a "bomb"...
- bombcar 5y ago
  https://onemileatatime.com/bomb-threat-el-al-787-fighter-jet/ https://onemileatatime.com/bomb-threat-el-al-787-fighter-jet... A similar situation from a few weeks ago.
avereveard 5y ago
>How will that play out with NATO they will send a strongly worded letter, no doubt about it
belatw 5y ago
They will send Thoughts and Prayers.
kstenerud 5y ago
Usually it follows the four stage strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak
rich_sasha 5y ago
In emergency situations it is totally normal to send fighter jets, less so as killing machines, more as agile planes with pilots skilled at close-quarter flying. The fighter pilots can assess the situation, guide the pilot (perhaps with a broken radio or other trouble?) down to safety. Or if it is hijacked and aimed at a nuclear plant, probably then shoot it down. This happens everywhere. Of course this is a very convenient coincidence here that a random emergency happens with a wanted man in board...
- nostromo 5y ago
  Sure, but the context here is very different. It was a state-sponsored hijacking.
adolph 5y ago
Intercept and escort is far less aggressive than missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 Not that the US was wrong to be on high alert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident
gmiller123456 5y ago
Not really a NATO issue, if you willingly enter another country, even it's airspace, you're agreeing to abide by their laws. Or, this this case, lack of laws. There's lots of things wrong with this, but NATO rules aren't in play.
dzhiurgis 5y ago
10x the cost of flying over EU for russian planes so we can compensate nuclear b52's & f35's escorting EU planes over russia...
- dfadsadsf 5y ago
  Considering that most if not all Europe to Asia flights go over Russia, it will be awfully long escorts and Russia will 10x cost too. Besides that Russia has nothing to do with current incident.
  - dzhiurgis 5y ago
    Of course they do, Belarus is in their pocket and they have to pay accordingly. NATO cannot display weakness again and again. If Russia increases the fee then we take away their planes (via maintenance) which pretty much bans them from travelling around the globe.
  - angry_octet 5y ago
    It would be expensive to divert for Japan and Korea, not so much SE Asia. I can't see Russia fucking with China though. Flights already do a big detour around Ukraine because of their conflict with Russia. In fact, middle eastern hubs would love Belarus airspace to be restricted, it makes their routes much more competitive. Flights to SE Asia often fly further south, over the caucuses, Afg/Iran to SNG, or Iraq/Iran to Qatar since the GCC blockade. (Iran charges considerable fees for this btw, a good source of hard currency.) I'm afraid Russia has everything to do with this incident. There is no way they would do this without Putin's okay. That he is willing to risk Russian airspace rights shows how desperately worried he is about popular uprisings. The ops.group newsletter [0] is a great resource for understanding flight restrictions. [0] https://ops.group/blog/assessing-the-risk-operations-over-conflict-zones/ https://ops.group/blog/assessing-the-risk-operations-over-co...

kensai 5y ago

That as well. They freaking sent a MiG-29 to accompany the plane with the fake excuse to find a "bomb"...

bombcar 5y ago
https://onemileatatime.com/bomb-threat-el-al-787-fighter-jet/ https://onemileatatime.com/bomb-threat-el-al-787-fighter-jet... A similar situation from a few weeks ago.

avereveard 5y ago

>How will that play out with NATO they will send a strongly worded letter, no doubt about it

belatw 5y ago

They will send Thoughts and Prayers.

kstenerud 5y ago

Usually it follows the four stage strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

rich_sasha 5y ago

In emergency situations it is totally normal to send fighter jets, less so as killing machines, more as agile planes with pilots skilled at close-quarter flying. The fighter pilots can assess the situation, guide the pilot (perhaps with a broken radio or other trouble?) down to safety. Or if it is hijacked and aimed at a nuclear plant, probably then shoot it down. This happens everywhere. Of course this is a very convenient coincidence here that a random emergency happens with a wanted man in board...

nostromo 5y ago
Sure, but the context here is very different. It was a state-sponsored hijacking.

adolph 5y ago

Intercept and escort is far less aggressive than missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 Not that the US was wrong to be on high alert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

gmiller123456 5y ago

Not really a NATO issue, if you willingly enter another country, even it's airspace, you're agreeing to abide by their laws. Or, this this case, lack of laws. There's lots of things wrong with this, but NATO rules aren't in play.

dzhiurgis 5y ago

10x the cost of flying over EU for russian planes so we can compensate nuclear b52's & f35's escorting EU planes over russia...

dfadsadsf 5y ago
Considering that most if not all Europe to Asia flights go over Russia, it will be awfully long escorts and Russia will 10x cost too. Besides that Russia has nothing to do with current incident.
- dzhiurgis 5y ago
  Of course they do, Belarus is in their pocket and they have to pay accordingly. NATO cannot display weakness again and again. If Russia increases the fee then we take away their planes (via maintenance) which pretty much bans them from travelling around the globe.
- angry_octet 5y ago
  It would be expensive to divert for Japan and Korea, not so much SE Asia. I can't see Russia fucking with China though. Flights already do a big detour around Ukraine because of their conflict with Russia. In fact, middle eastern hubs would love Belarus airspace to be restricted, it makes their routes much more competitive. Flights to SE Asia often fly further south, over the caucuses, Afg/Iran to SNG, or Iraq/Iran to Qatar since the GCC blockade. (Iran charges considerable fees for this btw, a good source of hard currency.) I'm afraid Russia has everything to do with this incident. There is no way they would do this without Putin's okay. That he is willing to risk Russian airspace rights shows how desperately worried he is about popular uprisings. The ops.group newsletter [0] is a great resource for understanding flight restrictions. [0] https://ops.group/blog/assessing-the-risk-operations-over-conflict-zones/ https://ops.group/blog/assessing-the-risk-operations-over-co...