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Pressure to stop pulling this kind of bs if they want to remain a viable economy in Europe. Honestly, I wish the next step would be for NATO to step in and res

by jiofih 5y ago

Pressure to stop pulling this kind of bs if they want to remain a viable economy in Europe. Honestly, I wish the next step would be for NATO to step in and restore the country to a legitimate government. Between this, Syria, Lebanon, Ukraine, China, Israel, the world has been way too conivent with the destruction of democracy.

pdpi 5y ago
Sanctions only achieve that if they punish the illegitimate government (hopefully without punishing the rest of the population). Being tough for the sake of being tough without having a clear model for what leverage you’re getting is just political posturing.
Jeff_Brown 5y ago
> if they want to remain a viable economy What a country wants is not in general what those in power want.
vbezhenar 5y ago
Belarus is in military alliance with Russia (Collective Security Treaty Organization). Any military action against Belarus will be met with Russian army defending its territory. Also I think that the more sanctions are put from West to Belarus, the closer it gets to become another Russia state. I'm not sure if that's the outcome West wants to see.
- jiofih 5y ago
  And military action from Belarus against an EU civilian aircraft should be met with what?
  - vbezhenar 5y ago
    Belarus was within its bounds. They did not shoot aircraft, they released aircraft and all EU citizens shortly afterwards, they have legal reasons to do so (which was likely fabricated, but one can't prove that). It's a bad accident, but it's not a war.
    - fakename11 5y ago
      Are you seriously describing this as a "bad accident"?
    - jiofih 5y ago
      I’m appalled. Just because they didn’t kill anyone (yet, as one passenger is on their way to the firing squad) this should be fine? This is plain and simple hijacking of an international flight and not “within bounds” at all. Laws are to be followed in principle, not just technical merit, these are not computer games.
  - throwaway21_ 5y ago
    Belarus airspace - Belarus rules. If EU civilian aircrafts doesn't like it they are free not to enter that airspace.
throwaway21_ 5y ago
Yeah, you have such a great legacy when defending democracy all over the world even in cases where you were absolutely dominant military power that this one would be walk in a park - Russia would just stand down, peacefully looking NATO invading its ally on its doorstep. Fortunately no-one in NATO has such illusions.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
>if they want to remain a viable economy in Europe. About half of Belarus's trade is with Russia. All this would accomplish is making it 90%+ and deepen ties with Russia. Might as well suggest having Russia annex Belarus as a response to the situation.

by jiofih 5y ago

pdpi 5y ago

Sanctions only achieve that if they punish the illegitimate government (hopefully without punishing the rest of the population). Being tough for the sake of being tough without having a clear model for what leverage you’re getting is just political posturing.

Jeff_Brown 5y ago

> if they want to remain a viable economy What a country wants is not in general what those in power want.

vbezhenar 5y ago

Belarus is in military alliance with Russia (Collective Security Treaty Organization). Any military action against Belarus will be met with Russian army defending its territory. Also I think that the more sanctions are put from West to Belarus, the closer it gets to become another Russia state. I'm not sure if that's the outcome West wants to see.

jiofih 5y ago
And military action from Belarus against an EU civilian aircraft should be met with what?
- vbezhenar 5y ago
  Belarus was within its bounds. They did not shoot aircraft, they released aircraft and all EU citizens shortly afterwards, they have legal reasons to do so (which was likely fabricated, but one can't prove that). It's a bad accident, but it's not a war.
  - fakename11 5y ago
    Are you seriously describing this as a "bad accident"?
  - jiofih 5y ago
    I’m appalled. Just because they didn’t kill anyone (yet, as one passenger is on their way to the firing squad) this should be fine? This is plain and simple hijacking of an international flight and not “within bounds” at all. Laws are to be followed in principle, not just technical merit, these are not computer games.
- throwaway21_ 5y ago
  Belarus airspace - Belarus rules. If EU civilian aircrafts doesn't like it they are free not to enter that airspace.

throwaway21_ 5y ago

Yeah, you have such a great legacy when defending democracy all over the world even in cases where you were absolutely dominant military power that this one would be walk in a park - Russia would just stand down, peacefully looking NATO invading its ally on its doorstep. Fortunately no-one in NATO has such illusions.

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

>if they want to remain a viable economy in Europe. About half of Belarus's trade is with Russia. All this would accomplish is making it 90%+ and deepen ties with Russia. Might as well suggest having Russia annex Belarus as a response to the situation.