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> Why do you think I’m implying something nefarious? Maybe because you literally just said: > a political tool whose value is to divide society and leverage i

> Why do you think I’m implying something nefarious? Maybe because you literally just said: > a political tool whose value is to divide society and leverage ignorance for political gain No offense, but I can't take your arguments seriously. I'm not saying the elite are there because our politics are some kind of official "class system", I'm saying the elite have become entrenched, which functionally creates a separate class. > Conspiracy theories are what we turn to when we want to stop thinking and just have a bad guy to blame, or when we want to manipulate others into doing so. Says the person who just accused me of spreading a nefarious conspiracy "to divide society and leverage ignorance for political gain"... This is getting silly! What I'm saying isn't a conspiracy, it's not even hidden...

zepto 5y ago
> a political tool whose value is to divide society and leverage ignorance for political gain Where is there mention of a conspiracy or anything nefarious? Examples abound of class ideology being used in exactly this way. It’s not some kind of secret. > No offense, It’s generally not a good sign of honesty when people say this. > but I can't take your arguments seriously. Obviously not true, since you then go on to do so. >> I'm not saying the elite are there because our politics are some kind of official "class system", >I'm saying the elite have become entrenched, which functionally creates a separate class. Obviously not true. The examples I gave are not there because of some kind of ‘entrenchment’. You simply chose to ignore that. Yes, statistical social mobility is low and varies depending on conditions. Yes, it seems like low social mobility limits what’s possible. That doesn’t magic ‘classes’ into reality. >> Conspiracy theories are what we turn to when we want to stop thinking and just have a bad guy to blame, or when we want to manipulate others into doing so. > Says the person who just accused me of spreading a nefarious conspiracy "to divide society and leverage ignorance for political gain"... Continuing to repeat this doesn’t make it true. See above. That’s exactly how class ideology has been used historically. >> This is getting silly! >What I'm saying isn't a conspiracy, it's not even hidden... It’s a conspiracy if you blame a small group of people for the outcome, as opposed to understanding the processes. Obviously it’s not hidden. You can’t hide what doesn’t exist.

zepto 5y ago

> a political tool whose value is to divide society and leverage ignorance for political gain Where is there mention of a conspiracy or anything nefarious? Examples abound of class ideology being used in exactly this way. It’s not some kind of secret. > No offense, It’s generally not a good sign of honesty when people say this. > but I can't take your arguments seriously. Obviously not true, since you then go on to do so. >> I'm not saying the elite are there because our politics are some kind of official "class system", >I'm saying the elite have become entrenched, which functionally creates a separate class. Obviously not true. The examples I gave are not there because of some kind of ‘entrenchment’. You simply chose to ignore that. Yes, statistical social mobility is low and varies depending on conditions. Yes, it seems like low social mobility limits what’s possible. That doesn’t magic ‘classes’ into reality. >> Conspiracy theories are what we turn to when we want to stop thinking and just have a bad guy to blame, or when we want to manipulate others into doing so. > Says the person who just accused me of spreading a nefarious conspiracy "to divide society and leverage ignorance for political gain"... Continuing to repeat this doesn’t make it true. See above. That’s exactly how class ideology has been used historically. >> This is getting silly! >What I'm saying isn't a conspiracy, it's not even hidden... It’s a conspiracy if you blame a small group of people for the outcome, as opposed to understanding the processes. Obviously it’s not hidden. You can’t hide what doesn’t exist.