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I don't see any real evidence in that article for the claim in the headline. If anything, all the trends she's pointing to go the other way, and the supporting

I don't see any real evidence in that article for the claim in the headline. If anything, all the trends she's pointing to go the other way, and the supporting anecdotes she has are clearly called out as unusual exceptions to the rule. Taking history as a precedent, the pendulum is likely to swing the other way eventually, though it'll still surprise us when and in what form it comes. That's just how these things go. But if (as I've just done...) the author is only relying on the patterns of history to make this claim, and not any actual data, the rest of the article is superfluous.

penguintester 5y ago
The 2x differential between GenX sex rates and the current sex rates seems like a pretty good statistic. Can't imagine anything that's affecting that number but the massive distribution of pornography enabled by the advent of the internet, reducing the need for real intimacy, especially given the way that our culture is even more hyper sexualized than back in the 60s and more enabled by dating apps.
- Latty 5y ago
  You can't imagine anything else affecting it? There is a pandemic, young people are increasingly struggling to move out of their parents houses, and young people are increasingly not able to afford to go out and socialise as much. If I wanted to start making guesses, I'd also say that we have better sex ed and better media that reduces the pressure on teenagers to have sex as early as possible.
  - penguintester 5y ago
    The trend have been long established before the pandemic was a thing, and although I do think that that the reduction in economic prospects have affected it, that should be somewhat offset with what I have previously stated, which is an increasing predilection for sexual promiscuity in our culture while enabled by greater access via dating apps. The fact that the reverse is happening, that in fact the rate of teenage hookups have dramatically fallen, is, in my mind, an affirmation for the disastrous effects that massively distributed pornography has played in our romantic culture, substituting the drive for romantic courtship and promoting anti social activities. And anyways, what does reducing pressures on teens to have sex as early as possible (which I whole heartily agree with) have to do with the facts that we were discussing anyways?
- moistly 5y ago
  Phthalates and other hormone disrupters, both in vitro and as a growing youth, are also a cause. Children are being immersed in chemicals that are harmful, and it is fucking up their hormonal, endocrine, and other systems that guide/form/control our sex.
carlivar 5y ago
It's difficult to provide evidence for a prediction (perhaps you just mean data), but perhaps a counter revolution is already here, based on this: "Between 1991 and 2017, the percentage of high-school students who’d had intercourse dropped from 54 percent to 40 percent. Today, people in their early 20s are twice as likely to be sexually abstinent as Gen Xers were at the same age." But revolution is also probably the wrong word. I believe the sexual revolution in the 60's was rather sudden, all things considered. The trend depicted in the article just seems like a gradual decline, or perhaps the reversion to some sort of society mean.

penguintester 5y ago

The 2x differential between GenX sex rates and the current sex rates seems like a pretty good statistic. Can't imagine anything that's affecting that number but the massive distribution of pornography enabled by the advent of the internet, reducing the need for real intimacy, especially given the way that our culture is even more hyper sexualized than back in the 60s and more enabled by dating apps.

Latty 5y ago
You can't imagine anything else affecting it? There is a pandemic, young people are increasingly struggling to move out of their parents houses, and young people are increasingly not able to afford to go out and socialise as much. If I wanted to start making guesses, I'd also say that we have better sex ed and better media that reduces the pressure on teenagers to have sex as early as possible.
- penguintester 5y ago
  The trend have been long established before the pandemic was a thing, and although I do think that that the reduction in economic prospects have affected it, that should be somewhat offset with what I have previously stated, which is an increasing predilection for sexual promiscuity in our culture while enabled by greater access via dating apps. The fact that the reverse is happening, that in fact the rate of teenage hookups have dramatically fallen, is, in my mind, an affirmation for the disastrous effects that massively distributed pornography has played in our romantic culture, substituting the drive for romantic courtship and promoting anti social activities. And anyways, what does reducing pressures on teens to have sex as early as possible (which I whole heartily agree with) have to do with the facts that we were discussing anyways?
moistly 5y ago
Phthalates and other hormone disrupters, both in vitro and as a growing youth, are also a cause. Children are being immersed in chemicals that are harmful, and it is fucking up their hormonal, endocrine, and other systems that guide/form/control our sex.

carlivar 5y ago

It's difficult to provide evidence for a prediction (perhaps you just mean data), but perhaps a counter revolution is already here, based on this: "Between 1991 and 2017, the percentage of high-school students who’d had intercourse dropped from 54 percent to 40 percent. Today, people in their early 20s are twice as likely to be sexually abstinent as Gen Xers were at the same age." But revolution is also probably the wrong word. I believe the sexual revolution in the 60's was rather sudden, all things considered. The trend depicted in the article just seems like a gradual decline, or perhaps the reversion to some sort of society mean.