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> He released a video recently where he basically said that it doesn’t matter if they’re easy to repair. As technology gets more advanced, so do repair shops.

by slver 5y ago

> He released a video recently where he basically said that it doesn’t matter if they’re easy to repair. As technology gets more advanced, so do repair shops. > It’ll be harder for the average Joe at home, but that’s precisely why independent repair shops that can offer competitive prices are so important. So you'd really recommend that Joe at home should repair their own Windows laptop or Android phone? Sorry but "gullible" is the word that comes to mind. Rossman is fighting for his right to do his own job. He has that right, but he also wants to be viral. To be viral, he needs to reframe his fight as the fight for the little guy to resolder a Wi-Fi modem at home on their MacBook. Which is frankly ridiculous. Technology, especially mobile, is at a stage where repairing at home is impossible due to integration and miniaturization. Maybe you could install your own RAM on a laptop. Well now that RAM is in the CPU, because it has to be there. So what do we do? Complain until technology goes back a decade or a few?

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
> So you'd really recommend that Joe at home should repair their own Windows laptop or Android phone? >> As technology gets more advanced, so do repair shops. It’ll be harder for the average Joe at home, but that’s precisely why independent repair shops that can offer competitive prices are so important.
bogwog 5y ago
By "average Joe" I'm not referring to someone like my grandma or you, I mean someone who isn't a professional repair shop with specialized equipment, but still knows a few things about technology. I've repaired tons of my own devices over the years. The most "hardcore" repair I've done was replacing a blown capacitor in a Samsung monitor. The monitor was like $200, and the new capacitor cost less than a dollar. I'm terrible at soldering, and have zero skill in that category. That soldering job I did came out really bad, but that monitor still works ~8 years later, and it's sitting on my desk right now as I'm typing this. > Technology, especially mobile, is at a stage where repairing at home is impossible due to integration and miniaturization. > Maybe you could install your own RAM on a laptop. Well now that RAM is in the CPU, because it has to be there. So what do we do? Complain until technology goes back a decade or a few? Neither "right to repair" nor my original comment advocate for being able to repair your own devices at home. I said that, because new devices are impossible to repair at home, it's critical that independent repair shops can exist, because they have expertise and equipment most people don't have to home. Without those independent repair shops, customers are forced to pay the manufacturer for repairs. Apple charges $300 to "fix" a broken screen (they actually just send you a new phone), even though the displays are nowhere near that expensive and Apple can get them at cost (or close to it). And right to repair has NOTHING to do with changing devices, making them go back "a decade or two", or any bullshit FUD like that. Seriously, go to https://www.fighttorepair.org/ https://www.fighttorepair.org/ and educate yourself on it so that you see it's 100% in your interests as a consumer.
- slver 5y ago
  > I've repaired tons of my own devices over the years. Many of us have but again, minituarization, specialization and integration means this gradually becomes impossible. The age of generic parts is over. Things get built at scale, for a specific purpose, highly integrated, and tiny. Unless maybe you can chisel out your own SoC replacement from some sand and metal.
  - bogwog 5y ago
    Is this trolling? Did you read past that sentence you quoted?
    - slver 5y ago
      You replaced a capacitor. Is that supposed to render what I said invalid?
      - bogwog 5y ago
        > Neither "right to repair" nor my original comment advocate for being able to repair your own devices at home. Did you read that part?
        slver 5y ago
        It's honestly hard to understand what our discussion is about at this point. I stated initially Rossman is fighting about his ability to buy working parts and doing repair. Now turns out you agree with that. So, I guess that's all.
        danShumway 5y ago
        The disagreement is over whether your point changes anything at all about the right to repair movement. Okay, let's say Rossman is fighting for his own ability to do repair. So? That's what we want. Every consumer benefits if there's a competitive repair industry. In particular the people who can't do their own repairs at home benefit from a competitive 3rd-party repair industry. Giving Apple a monopoly over its repair process is bad for consumers. It's bad overall no matter what Apple devices look like, but it's particularly bad if the devices are difficult or impossible to repair at home. The fact that consumer devices are getting harder to repair is exactly why third-party repair shops are so important, and exactly why Rossman's goals align with those of the average consumer. Because as devices get harder to repair, it becomes more important that consumers have access to a wide range of professionals that can do those repairs. I think you're getting pushback because you keep refusing to engage with the arguments that people are making, repeating "the age of generic parts is over", and then acting like that changes something about the current situation. It doesn't. You seem to be missing the connecting logic between your own point and the surrounding debate about right to repair.

by slver 5y ago

Wowfunhappy 5y ago

> So you'd really recommend that Joe at home should repair their own Windows laptop or Android phone? >> As technology gets more advanced, so do repair shops. It’ll be harder for the average Joe at home, but that’s precisely why independent repair shops that can offer competitive prices are so important.

bogwog 5y ago

By "average Joe" I'm not referring to someone like my grandma or you, I mean someone who isn't a professional repair shop with specialized equipment, but still knows a few things about technology. I've repaired tons of my own devices over the years. The most "hardcore" repair I've done was replacing a blown capacitor in a Samsung monitor. The monitor was like $200, and the new capacitor cost less than a dollar. I'm terrible at soldering, and have zero skill in that category. That soldering job I did came out really bad, but that monitor still works ~8 years later, and it's sitting on my desk right now as I'm typing this. > Technology, especially mobile, is at a stage where repairing at home is impossible due to integration and miniaturization. > Maybe you could install your own RAM on a laptop. Well now that RAM is in the CPU, because it has to be there. So what do we do? Complain until technology goes back a decade or a few? Neither "right to repair" nor my original comment advocate for being able to repair your own devices at home. I said that, because new devices are impossible to repair at home, it's critical that independent repair shops can exist, because they have expertise and equipment most people don't have to home. Without those independent repair shops, customers are forced to pay the manufacturer for repairs. Apple charges $300 to "fix" a broken screen (they actually just send you a new phone), even though the displays are nowhere near that expensive and Apple can get them at cost (or close to it). And right to repair has NOTHING to do with changing devices, making them go back "a decade or two", or any bullshit FUD like that. Seriously, go to https://www.fighttorepair.org/ https://www.fighttorepair.org/ and educate yourself on it so that you see it's 100% in your interests as a consumer.

slver 5y ago
> I've repaired tons of my own devices over the years. Many of us have but again, minituarization, specialization and integration means this gradually becomes impossible. The age of generic parts is over. Things get built at scale, for a specific purpose, highly integrated, and tiny. Unless maybe you can chisel out your own SoC replacement from some sand and metal.
- bogwog 5y ago
  Is this trolling? Did you read past that sentence you quoted?
  - slver 5y ago
    You replaced a capacitor. Is that supposed to render what I said invalid?
    - bogwog 5y ago
      > Neither "right to repair" nor my original comment advocate for being able to repair your own devices at home. Did you read that part?
      - slver 5y ago
        It's honestly hard to understand what our discussion is about at this point. I stated initially Rossman is fighting about his ability to buy working parts and doing repair. Now turns out you agree with that. So, I guess that's all.
        danShumway 5y ago
        The disagreement is over whether your point changes anything at all about the right to repair movement. Okay, let's say Rossman is fighting for his own ability to do repair. So? That's what we want. Every consumer benefits if there's a competitive repair industry. In particular the people who can't do their own repairs at home benefit from a competitive 3rd-party repair industry. Giving Apple a monopoly over its repair process is bad for consumers. It's bad overall no matter what Apple devices look like, but it's particularly bad if the devices are difficult or impossible to repair at home. The fact that consumer devices are getting harder to repair is exactly why third-party repair shops are so important, and exactly why Rossman's goals align with those of the average consumer. Because as devices get harder to repair, it becomes more important that consumers have access to a wide range of professionals that can do those repairs. I think you're getting pushback because you keep refusing to engage with the arguments that people are making, repeating "the age of generic parts is over", and then acting like that changes something about the current situation. It doesn't. You seem to be missing the connecting logic between your own point and the surrounding debate about right to repair.