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"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and cura

"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple." Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

vbezhenar 5y ago
It'll end up similarly to macOS AppStore. Developers will avoid it, so user will be forced to use other stores to make his phone useful.
hpaavola 5y ago
vbezhenar, for some reason there is no reply link visible in your commenr, so have to reply like this. "It'll end up similarly to macOS AppStore. Developers will avoid it, so user will be forced to use other stores to make his phone useful." So, kinda like on Androi... No, wait. It wont. Other stores will be in the margins likd on Android.
- maccard 5y ago
  Have you seen the prompt you get when you install an app outside the play store, (and even worse give it permission to install other apps)? Epic have made instructions on how to do it [0], it's a four step process to be able to install the game that involves changing two system default settings that both warn you not to do what you're about to do. [0] https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android/new-device https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android/new-...
  - hpaavola 5y ago
    I'm happy F-Droid user, so yes, i know the process.
maccard 5y ago
The reality of what ends up happening is you end up with an app store per publisher, and needing to manage your payment details with each one individually, and deal with each stores handling of your data. I don't want to install the NYT store to download the nyt cooking app so they can take a bigger cut on their subscription. The reason this hasn't happened on Android is because you get a scary warning when you install apps from other sources.
- hpaavola 5y ago
  Exactly what's blocking apple from using same kinda warning? So no, it wont happen.
  - maccard 5y ago
    Good thing epic aren't suing google at the same time for the exact reason we're discussing right here then isn't it?
    - hpaavola 5y ago
      Epic is free to sue who ever they whish. That means nothing. The argument was that 3rd party app stores would somehow affect apples appstore quality. That's false. If apple would allow installing apps from unknown sources and just give ugly warnings then, thus letting 3rd party appstores on ios, it would have no effect on qpple appstore content.
      - cygx 5y ago
        > The argument was that 3rd party app stores would somehow affect apples appstore quality. That's false. With Apple in control, the developer faces the choice to play by Apple's rules, or lose out on the money to be made in their walled garden. With Apple no longer in control, the user now faces the choice to play by the developer's rules, or lose out on the app. That said, I'm actually not a fan of the walled garden approach, and won't be buying an iPhone in the forseeable future. It's just that I do understand the appeal.
cygx 5y ago
The counter-argument runs like this: Third party developers want to get their apps onto the iPhone, because the platform has a lot of users, and there's a lot of money to be made. However, they will be forced to play by Apple's rules, which (according to the argument) is good for the customer, as the custodian of the platform has a vested interest in keeping them happy. Now, if 3rd party stores were allowed, Apple's bargaining power which allowed them to force 3rd parties to respect the user's interest would go away, allowing developers to deliver a worse (eg privacy-violating) product. Users who do not like this deal are free to go with an Android device instead of an iPhone. The popularity of the latter might suggest that quite a few people are reasonably happy with the status quo.
- hpaavola 5y ago
  Counter-argument to what? As Android shows, allowing 3rd party appstores has 0 effect on the main appstore offering.
  - merrywhether 5y ago
    But if the iOS store is so much worse for devs than the Play store, wouldn’t there be more incentive for devs to push for a legitimate alt store to succeed on iOS?
  - d3nj4l 5y ago
    Android's third-party app stores have been majorly gimped for a long time unless they were installed by the manufacturer. Further, they don't even have great reach even if they're installed as such, as evidenced by Epic wanting Fortnite back on the Play Store despite it being available on the Galaxy store.
- wayneftw 5y ago
  > The popularity of the latter might suggest that quite a few people are reasonably happy with the status quo. People haven't thought it through at all. If they've even considered this aspect of it, I'd be surprised. iPhone popularity is due to a mix of very good engineering, presentation, marketing and network effects. Smartphones are also very, very new for people. Give them time and they'll rebel against a single point of control sooner or later.

vbezhenar 5y ago

It'll end up similarly to macOS AppStore. Developers will avoid it, so user will be forced to use other stores to make his phone useful.

hpaavola 5y ago

vbezhenar, for some reason there is no reply link visible in your commenr, so have to reply like this. "It'll end up similarly to macOS AppStore. Developers will avoid it, so user will be forced to use other stores to make his phone useful." So, kinda like on Androi... No, wait. It wont. Other stores will be in the margins likd on Android.

maccard 5y ago
Have you seen the prompt you get when you install an app outside the play store, (and even worse give it permission to install other apps)? Epic have made instructions on how to do it [0], it's a four step process to be able to install the game that involves changing two system default settings that both warn you not to do what you're about to do. [0] https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android/new-device https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android/new-...
- hpaavola 5y ago
  I'm happy F-Droid user, so yes, i know the process.

maccard 5y ago

The reality of what ends up happening is you end up with an app store per publisher, and needing to manage your payment details with each one individually, and deal with each stores handling of your data. I don't want to install the NYT store to download the nyt cooking app so they can take a bigger cut on their subscription. The reason this hasn't happened on Android is because you get a scary warning when you install apps from other sources.

hpaavola 5y ago
Exactly what's blocking apple from using same kinda warning? So no, it wont happen.
- maccard 5y ago
  Good thing epic aren't suing google at the same time for the exact reason we're discussing right here then isn't it?
  - hpaavola 5y ago
    Epic is free to sue who ever they whish. That means nothing. The argument was that 3rd party app stores would somehow affect apples appstore quality. That's false. If apple would allow installing apps from unknown sources and just give ugly warnings then, thus letting 3rd party appstores on ios, it would have no effect on qpple appstore content.
    - cygx 5y ago
      > The argument was that 3rd party app stores would somehow affect apples appstore quality. That's false. With Apple in control, the developer faces the choice to play by Apple's rules, or lose out on the money to be made in their walled garden. With Apple no longer in control, the user now faces the choice to play by the developer's rules, or lose out on the app. That said, I'm actually not a fan of the walled garden approach, and won't be buying an iPhone in the forseeable future. It's just that I do understand the appeal.

cygx 5y ago

The counter-argument runs like this: Third party developers want to get their apps onto the iPhone, because the platform has a lot of users, and there's a lot of money to be made. However, they will be forced to play by Apple's rules, which (according to the argument) is good for the customer, as the custodian of the platform has a vested interest in keeping them happy. Now, if 3rd party stores were allowed, Apple's bargaining power which allowed them to force 3rd parties to respect the user's interest would go away, allowing developers to deliver a worse (eg privacy-violating) product. Users who do not like this deal are free to go with an Android device instead of an iPhone. The popularity of the latter might suggest that quite a few people are reasonably happy with the status quo.

hpaavola 5y ago
Counter-argument to what? As Android shows, allowing 3rd party appstores has 0 effect on the main appstore offering.
- merrywhether 5y ago
  But if the iOS store is so much worse for devs than the Play store, wouldn’t there be more incentive for devs to push for a legitimate alt store to succeed on iOS?
- d3nj4l 5y ago
  Android's third-party app stores have been majorly gimped for a long time unless they were installed by the manufacturer. Further, they don't even have great reach even if they're installed as such, as evidenced by Epic wanting Fortnite back on the Play Store despite it being available on the Galaxy store.
wayneftw 5y ago
> The popularity of the latter might suggest that quite a few people are reasonably happy with the status quo. People haven't thought it through at all. If they've even considered this aspect of it, I'd be surprised. iPhone popularity is due to a mix of very good engineering, presentation, marketing and network effects. Smartphones are also very, very new for people. Give them time and they'll rebel against a single point of control sooner or later.