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Welcome to America, where we use political correctness to put people of color in their place. We’re only a couple decades removed from that kid getting a beatin

Welcome to America, where we use political correctness to put people of color in their place. We’re only a couple decades removed from that kid getting a beating by the cops, so things are improving. So three months suspension is getting off light. Our schools don’t have solitary confinement yet but I’m sure we’ll get there someday. Sure, we could try treating the student as a person, but that just makes it harder for society to exact the retribution it so deeply desires.

iudqnolq 5y ago
> Our schools don’t have solitary confinement yet "The spaces have gentle names: The reflection room. The cool-down room. The calming room. The quiet room. But shut inside them, in public schools across the state, children as young as 5 wail for their parents, scream in anger and beg to be let out." https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/school-students-put-in-isolated-timeouts/ https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/sch...
- thebigman433 5y ago
  Stuff like this is so infuriating to read. I work in a preschool and there is absolutely a way to have kids take a short break away from others without literally torturing them. Its genuinely hard to read stories like that and think about the kind of teachers that exist in some areas. And its clearly systemic in a lot of situations.
- taneq 5y ago
  This is just time out. Any parent of a high-maintenance 5-year-old will know that some kids act out, assault their peers, have tantrums and scream and yell. Other kids don’t deserve to be subjected to that. Edit: To be clear, I’m responding to the quote here. I’m not condoning locking small children in bare rooms alone for hours on end.
  - duckfang 5y ago
    Because a 3 ft by 3 ft by 7 ft upright locking coffin is a PERFECT place for timeout.
    - taneq 5y ago
      Because that’s clearly what I was saying, right?
      - jumelles 5y ago
        It's literally exactly what you said...?
      - shkkmo 5y ago
        It does appear to be what you are saying. The linked article is discussing how common it is For schools to lock young children in tiny rooms by themselves. One room in the article is described as 3x3x7 and another is even smaller at 5 sq feet. These are literally the rooms we are discussing and that you are defending using for timeouts. Edit: It appears from your edit that you simply may have not read the article and thus did not realize what you were endorsing.
        taneq 5y ago
        I added the edit about 2 minutes after I made the original post.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  > and beg to be let out. If the school doesn't forget they're there. It's happened at least twice in Washington, where parents have wondered why their child wasn't on the bus, only to learn that not only had the school put them in such a room, they'd then managed to _forget_ the student was in there.
- hoka-one-one 5y ago
  I can't help but notice a common thread between all these kids, namely that they're all boys. What we're seeing is likely an attempt to suppress the more toxic and dangerous traits associated with masculinity. Yes, it causes some kids some suffering, but if the alternative is that they grow up to fight or rape or hurt their peers and colleagues, is there a chance that it's worth it? I say this, by the way, as someone who has been in a suicide watch room in jail once as a young adult because I refused to answer questions. It was terrible, but after 24 hours I feel it had a lasting positive effect on me. I've been much less rebellious since then. I'm also thankful it happened before my tendency to act out ended up hurting other people.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    > there a chance that it's worth it? Little to none as there is no evidence of theraputic value. Indeed, it seems clearly harmful and would qualify as child abuse if it were sone by the parents rather than the school district. The use of this technique on children with Autism is particularly reprehensible.
  - omginternets 5y ago
    You’re begging the question: does any of this actually prevent the “toxic masculinity” you’re referring to? The article quite clearly says no. Moreover, “toxic masculinity” is a political dog-whistle, not a legitimate psychological concept. EDIT: ffs don't flag the parent poster. He's misinformed and possibly ideologically driven (though I've seen far worse), but enough with the censorship bubble, already ...
    - paulv 5y ago
      > “toxic masculinity” is a political dog-whistle, not a legitimate psychological concept. This is misleading at best. Toxic masculinity has been written about in great detail and at great length in academia (in gender/women's studies literature) for going on 30 years.
      - totalZero 5y ago
hellomyguys 5y ago
Before clicking the article I already guessed the student was black. “How US schools punish Black kids”https://www.vox.com/videos/21507661/school-discipline-race-black-students https://www.vox.com/videos/21507661/school-discipline-race-b...
fnord77 5y ago
> Our schools don’t have solitary confinement they sure did when I was a pupil, a zillion years ago. It was called "in-school detention"
- OJFord 5y ago
  'Isolation' in the UK, which doesn't beat about the bush much does it. I don't really see anything wrong with it. (I'd say a 'detention' is broader, anything from a few minutes at the end of the lesson to isolation, passing break time, lunch, and after-school along the way.)
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    "The entire United Nations, including the US, passed “Mandela Rules” prohibiting solitary beyond 15 days for any person, because it otherwise would amount to torture."
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      Pretty sure school isolation isn't 15 days.
    - fnord77 5y ago
      shocked the US didn't veto this
spamizbad 5y ago
Schools do in fact have solitary confinement rooms. https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/school-students-put-in-isolated-timeouts/ https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/sch...
kiba 5y ago
This doesn't seem to be a problem of race as far as I can tell but a kind of bureaucratic Kafkaesque face saving nightmare.
- drewwwwww 5y ago
  in the event a white kid was even the suspected perpetrator of this, it's exceptionally unlikely he would be given a 90 day suspension on completely bunk evidence
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iudqnolq 5y ago

> Our schools don’t have solitary confinement yet "The spaces have gentle names: The reflection room. The cool-down room. The calming room. The quiet room. But shut inside them, in public schools across the state, children as young as 5 wail for their parents, scream in anger and beg to be let out." https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/school-students-put-in-isolated-timeouts/ https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/sch...

thebigman433 5y ago
Stuff like this is so infuriating to read. I work in a preschool and there is absolutely a way to have kids take a short break away from others without literally torturing them. Its genuinely hard to read stories like that and think about the kind of teachers that exist in some areas. And its clearly systemic in a lot of situations.
taneq 5y ago
This is just time out. Any parent of a high-maintenance 5-year-old will know that some kids act out, assault their peers, have tantrums and scream and yell. Other kids don’t deserve to be subjected to that. Edit: To be clear, I’m responding to the quote here. I’m not condoning locking small children in bare rooms alone for hours on end.
- duckfang 5y ago
  Because a 3 ft by 3 ft by 7 ft upright locking coffin is a PERFECT place for timeout.
  - taneq 5y ago
    Because that’s clearly what I was saying, right?
    - jumelles 5y ago
      It's literally exactly what you said...?
    - shkkmo 5y ago
      It does appear to be what you are saying. The linked article is discussing how common it is For schools to lock young children in tiny rooms by themselves. One room in the article is described as 3x3x7 and another is even smaller at 5 sq feet. These are literally the rooms we are discussing and that you are defending using for timeouts. Edit: It appears from your edit that you simply may have not read the article and thus did not realize what you were endorsing.
      - taneq 5y ago
        I added the edit about 2 minutes after I made the original post.
FireBeyond 5y ago
> and beg to be let out. If the school doesn't forget they're there. It's happened at least twice in Washington, where parents have wondered why their child wasn't on the bus, only to learn that not only had the school put them in such a room, they'd then managed to _forget_ the student was in there.
hoka-one-one 5y ago
I can't help but notice a common thread between all these kids, namely that they're all boys. What we're seeing is likely an attempt to suppress the more toxic and dangerous traits associated with masculinity. Yes, it causes some kids some suffering, but if the alternative is that they grow up to fight or rape or hurt their peers and colleagues, is there a chance that it's worth it? I say this, by the way, as someone who has been in a suicide watch room in jail once as a young adult because I refused to answer questions. It was terrible, but after 24 hours I feel it had a lasting positive effect on me. I've been much less rebellious since then. I'm also thankful it happened before my tendency to act out ended up hurting other people.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  > there a chance that it's worth it? Little to none as there is no evidence of theraputic value. Indeed, it seems clearly harmful and would qualify as child abuse if it were sone by the parents rather than the school district. The use of this technique on children with Autism is particularly reprehensible.
- omginternets 5y ago
  You’re begging the question: does any of this actually prevent the “toxic masculinity” you’re referring to? The article quite clearly says no. Moreover, “toxic masculinity” is a political dog-whistle, not a legitimate psychological concept. EDIT: ffs don't flag the parent poster. He's misinformed and possibly ideologically driven (though I've seen far worse), but enough with the censorship bubble, already ...
  - paulv 5y ago
    > “toxic masculinity” is a political dog-whistle, not a legitimate psychological concept. This is misleading at best. Toxic masculinity has been written about in great detail and at great length in academia (in gender/women's studies literature) for going on 30 years.
    - totalZero 5y ago

hellomyguys 5y ago

Before clicking the article I already guessed the student was black. “How US schools punish Black kids”https://www.vox.com/videos/21507661/school-discipline-race-black-students https://www.vox.com/videos/21507661/school-discipline-race-b...

fnord77 5y ago

> Our schools don’t have solitary confinement they sure did when I was a pupil, a zillion years ago. It was called "in-school detention"

OJFord 5y ago
'Isolation' in the UK, which doesn't beat about the bush much does it. I don't really see anything wrong with it. (I'd say a 'detention' is broader, anything from a few minutes at the end of the lesson to isolation, passing break time, lunch, and after-school along the way.)
- perl4ever 5y ago
  "The entire United Nations, including the US, passed “Mandela Rules” prohibiting solitary beyond 15 days for any person, because it otherwise would amount to torture."
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    Pretty sure school isolation isn't 15 days.
  - fnord77 5y ago
    shocked the US didn't veto this

spamizbad 5y ago

Schools do in fact have solitary confinement rooms. https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/school-students-put-in-isolated-timeouts/ https://features.propublica.org/illinois-seclusion-rooms/sch...

kiba 5y ago

This doesn't seem to be a problem of race as far as I can tell but a kind of bureaucratic Kafkaesque face saving nightmare.

drewwwwww 5y ago
in the event a white kid was even the suspected perpetrator of this, it's exceptionally unlikely he would be given a 90 day suspension on completely bunk evidence

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