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Except literally today I wanted to do a quick reboot of Ubuntu and I was stuck staring at "unattended-upgrade in progress during shutdown, please don't turn off

Except literally today I wanted to do a quick reboot of Ubuntu and I was stuck staring at "unattended-upgrade in progress during shutdown, please don't turn off the computer" for 30 minutes with no warning nor any indication of how long it would take. That managed to be far more infuriating than windows ever has with all of its update shenanigans.

ptx 5y ago
Why would you enable unattended upgrades on a desktop computer (as opposed to a server)? Is this something Ubuntu enforces? If you don't enable this feature (which isn't enabled by default in Debian) you won't have this problem.
- turtles_ 5y ago
  It was enabled by default in the standard desktop install (I didn't really customize anything I'm not a heavy user of desktop Linux). Of course I'll be disabling it next time I boot that partition. Point being Linux isn't immune to this type of annoyance.
  - kaba0 5y ago
    As far as I know it is only Ubuntu that does anything similar.
    - ASalazarMX 5y ago
      Probably to deal with corruption from people applying library updates and not restarting their programs because they keep running fine in memory. I have no idea how many bug reports could be ascribed to this, but if we want a user-friendly Linux we have to put up with the safer update process. It's not lengthy at all, wait less than one minute and you're set.
      - casmclas 5y ago
        NixOS and GuixSD aren't user friendly because the people who use them are like GNU/Linux users circa 2000: people insane enough to install an operating system that is very particular about who its friends are. But they do have an excellent solution to the whole updates debacle: Install them in a separate location, initialise them when booting or when they're finished installing, and delete them when they're inaccessible from a few standard locations like /boot or /proc.
    - jkepler 5y ago
      I haven't ever run into that in 8 years of running a various GNU/Linux distros (MeeGo, Elementary OS, Maemo, Sailfish OS, Debian)... though I've never run Ubuntu.
      - jabits 5y ago
        Though I’ve never run the most popular by an order of magnitude distro out there…
    - superduperuser 5y ago
      This also happens in fedora when applying updates through the gnome-software-center.
      - kaba0 5y ago
        Let’s be honest, both gnome’s and kde’s software centers are jokes. I don’t understand why, is there no interest because everyone installs things from a command line? It doesn’t seem to be such a hard problem.

ptx 5y ago

Why would you enable unattended upgrades on a desktop computer (as opposed to a server)? Is this something Ubuntu enforces? If you don't enable this feature (which isn't enabled by default in Debian) you won't have this problem.

turtles_ 5y ago
It was enabled by default in the standard desktop install (I didn't really customize anything I'm not a heavy user of desktop Linux). Of course I'll be disabling it next time I boot that partition. Point being Linux isn't immune to this type of annoyance.
- kaba0 5y ago
  As far as I know it is only Ubuntu that does anything similar.
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    Probably to deal with corruption from people applying library updates and not restarting their programs because they keep running fine in memory. I have no idea how many bug reports could be ascribed to this, but if we want a user-friendly Linux we have to put up with the safer update process. It's not lengthy at all, wait less than one minute and you're set.
    - casmclas 5y ago
      NixOS and GuixSD aren't user friendly because the people who use them are like GNU/Linux users circa 2000: people insane enough to install an operating system that is very particular about who its friends are. But they do have an excellent solution to the whole updates debacle: Install them in a separate location, initialise them when booting or when they're finished installing, and delete them when they're inaccessible from a few standard locations like /boot or /proc.
  - jkepler 5y ago
    I haven't ever run into that in 8 years of running a various GNU/Linux distros (MeeGo, Elementary OS, Maemo, Sailfish OS, Debian)... though I've never run Ubuntu.
    - jabits 5y ago
      Though I’ve never run the most popular by an order of magnitude distro out there…
  - superduperuser 5y ago
    This also happens in fedora when applying updates through the gnome-software-center.
    - kaba0 5y ago
      Let’s be honest, both gnome’s and kde’s software centers are jokes. I don’t understand why, is there no interest because everyone installs things from a command line? It doesn’t seem to be such a hard problem.