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Tell a homeowner that you need that property more than they do because they have another home and how it's more fair that you get it. Your real estate analogy

by rooshdi 15y ago

Tell a homeowner that you need that property more than they do because they have another home and how it's more fair that you get it. Your real estate analogy is a flawed one, especially in today's domain environment. A more accurate analogy would be an overpopulation of people (financially stable mind you) forced to live in cardboard boxes due to real estate investors buying up neighborhoods of good homes, bumping up their prices, and not returning phone calls. Plus, real estate investors in the real world at least try to maintain their property and improve it through actual work. Domainers just park pages. May I ask why I have to use my capital for YOUR benefit? Since it's mine, I can do whatever I want with it. That's the nature of capitalism and freedom. Just because you don't like or even agree with what I do doesn't mean the system is broken. Just because something is a product of capitalism doesn't mean it can't be broken by selfish extremists. How do you think we got in this recent financial fiasco? One word, greed. Sometimes there needs to certain measures of regulation to ensure individuals are not taking advantage of the system at the expense of others. That is all I'm saying. There comes a point when a foot has to be put down after a certain threshold, especially when the majority of people in a system are being hurt by these extremists.

ohashi 15y ago
Except nobody is being hurt in this case. There are infinite available domains for all intents and purposes. The real estate analogy is fine, you just don't live in the really nice neighborhood. You live in a cheaper one. Or perhaps in a .info ghetto. You still have a house, it's just not a mansion on the beach. Unless you pay for it. People aren't harmed by not having a the best domain available.
- rooshdi 15y ago
  Except nobody is being hurt in this case. Tell that to these people: http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the-children http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the... http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domainduck-com-domain-squatting-245067/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domai... http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-squatters-suck.aspx http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-s... http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 etc, etc, etc.
  - ohashi 15y ago
    What's ironic is you actually picked an example I DID answer back in 2008. But I guess you did just a quick google search instead of actually reading the messages. These people aren't harmed by domainers owning the domain they want. They simply think they could better themselves with ownership. Those are two very different things. Just because someone thinks they come up with something clever and deserve it doesn't mean they actually do. If someone else purchased it first, they clearly didn't have some magical unique insight, upon which, they deserve some special rights. Some of these people aren't hurt at all, they are just being greedy and feel something is unfair because the outcome wasn't optimal for them. Others, made mistakes and want to blame someone (they actually failed to renew their own domain, and used a bad registration company, not domainers' fault). Others still, are simply inquiring how to get domains.
    - rooshdi 15y ago
      What's ironic is you actually picked an example I DID answer back in 2008. But I guess you did just a quick google search instead of actually reading the messages. Ironic or intentional? ;) It's quite clear you don't care about anything other than the well-being of domainers. I am done debating with you. You win pal.
      - ohashi 15y ago
        I care very much about many things, especially that people get treated right. Domainer or otherwise. I think the system has to be fair. I've come out publicly against companies with bad business practices and pointed out flaws in the system. (For example http://kevinohashi.com/15/04/2011/domain-registrar-and-customer-interests-are-not-aligned http://kevinohashi.com/15/04/2011/domain-registrar-and-custo...) I also have been freely providing tools for anyone to use to aid in their domain search since I got started (first one being published in 2004ish). I published 24,000 available short, pronounceable domains here for hackernews readers before sharing with any domain related sites (see http://kevinohashi.com/17/04/2011/other-24000-available-brandables-com-domains-full-list http://kevinohashi.com/17/04/2011/other-24000-available-bran...). Don't pretend as if you've kept an open mind about any of this. You've tried to discredit me personally multiple times now and never once even acknowledged your own hypocrisy even when it's patently obvious and pointed out. You simply skip along to the next superfluous argument. This should have been over long ago.

by rooshdi 15y ago

ohashi 15y ago

Except nobody is being hurt in this case. There are infinite available domains for all intents and purposes. The real estate analogy is fine, you just don't live in the really nice neighborhood. You live in a cheaper one. Or perhaps in a .info ghetto. You still have a house, it's just not a mansion on the beach. Unless you pay for it. People aren't harmed by not having a the best domain available.

rooshdi 15y ago
Except nobody is being hurt in this case. Tell that to these people: http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the-children http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the... http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domainduck-com-domain-squatting-245067/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domai... http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-squatters-suck.aspx http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-s... http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 etc, etc, etc.
- ohashi 15y ago
  What's ironic is you actually picked an example I DID answer back in 2008. But I guess you did just a quick google search instead of actually reading the messages. These people aren't harmed by domainers owning the domain they want. They simply think they could better themselves with ownership. Those are two very different things. Just because someone thinks they come up with something clever and deserve it doesn't mean they actually do. If someone else purchased it first, they clearly didn't have some magical unique insight, upon which, they deserve some special rights. Some of these people aren't hurt at all, they are just being greedy and feel something is unfair because the outcome wasn't optimal for them. Others, made mistakes and want to blame someone (they actually failed to renew their own domain, and used a bad registration company, not domainers' fault). Others still, are simply inquiring how to get domains.
  - rooshdi 15y ago
    What's ironic is you actually picked an example I DID answer back in 2008. But I guess you did just a quick google search instead of actually reading the messages. Ironic or intentional? ;) It's quite clear you don't care about anything other than the well-being of domainers. I am done debating with you. You win pal.
    - ohashi 15y ago
      I care very much about many things, especially that people get treated right. Domainer or otherwise. I think the system has to be fair. I've come out publicly against companies with bad business practices and pointed out flaws in the system. (For example http://kevinohashi.com/15/04/2011/domain-registrar-and-customer-interests-are-not-aligned http://kevinohashi.com/15/04/2011/domain-registrar-and-custo...) I also have been freely providing tools for anyone to use to aid in their domain search since I got started (first one being published in 2004ish). I published 24,000 available short, pronounceable domains here for hackernews readers before sharing with any domain related sites (see http://kevinohashi.com/17/04/2011/other-24000-available-brandables-com-domains-full-list http://kevinohashi.com/17/04/2011/other-24000-available-bran...). Don't pretend as if you've kept an open mind about any of this. You've tried to discredit me personally multiple times now and never once even acknowledged your own hypocrisy even when it's patently obvious and pointed out. You simply skip along to the next superfluous argument. This should have been over long ago.