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>Or worse job opportunities. Then people tell you to move where the jobs are. Which has really expensive housing. This is not entirely true. I live in Baltimor

>Or worse job opportunities. Then people tell you to move where the jobs are. Which has really expensive housing. This is not entirely true. I live in Baltimore City and there's cheap housing + access to the great tech market between baltimore and dc

the_only_law 5y ago
I understand Baltimore has insanely cheap housing for its size, but I’ve always imagined it as a Detroit like situation, where yeah the housing is often cheap, but not areas you want to live. It may not actually be as bad as I think though.
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  It's very block by block but there are some ok areas with housing near/under 200k (at least pre-pandemic).
- c22 5y ago
  Last time I was in Baltimore was probably 15 years ago, but from the terrible street/traffic design to my general feelings of personal safety it was, holistically, the worst city I have ever visited.
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    what about the street design? >general feelings of personal safety ymmv depending on your level of comfort around lower income black people
    - c22 5y ago
      It's been a while so my memories may be incomplete, but I recall coming on instances where traffic would use the same lanes of a stretch of road in both directions controlled by a light (so running a red light would result in a head on collision) which made me feel uncomfortable. I remember other Kafkaesque scenarios also, like encountering a 5 way intersection with 4 one-way roads going into it and a single two way potential exit which was under construction and lead to a truly bizarre detour back out a one-way street. Just in general I got the sense that whoever was in charge of street design was asleep at the wheel. I have no discomfort around black people and have been lower income for most of my life. Most of my safety concerns were around aggressive traffic and sketchy-looking public infrastructure.

the_only_law 5y ago

I understand Baltimore has insanely cheap housing for its size, but I’ve always imagined it as a Detroit like situation, where yeah the housing is often cheap, but not areas you want to live. It may not actually be as bad as I think though.

throwaway6734 5y ago
It's very block by block but there are some ok areas with housing near/under 200k (at least pre-pandemic).
c22 5y ago
Last time I was in Baltimore was probably 15 years ago, but from the terrible street/traffic design to my general feelings of personal safety it was, holistically, the worst city I have ever visited.
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  what about the street design? >general feelings of personal safety ymmv depending on your level of comfort around lower income black people
  - c22 5y ago
    It's been a while so my memories may be incomplete, but I recall coming on instances where traffic would use the same lanes of a stretch of road in both directions controlled by a light (so running a red light would result in a head on collision) which made me feel uncomfortable. I remember other Kafkaesque scenarios also, like encountering a 5 way intersection with 4 one-way roads going into it and a single two way potential exit which was under construction and lead to a truly bizarre detour back out a one-way street. Just in general I got the sense that whoever was in charge of street design was asleep at the wheel. I have no discomfort around black people and have been lower income for most of my life. Most of my safety concerns were around aggressive traffic and sketchy-looking public infrastructure.