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This has changed hugely in Europe over the last generation. Certainly here in the UK there is zero appetite for nationalised industry and strong centralised ind
by simonh 5y ago
This has changed hugely in Europe over the last generation. Certainly here in the UK there is zero appetite for nationalised industry and strong centralised industrial policy. The last labour government under Blair and Brown avoided such talk as utter poison, and Corbyn, the last Labour leader to openly talk about such things may well have killed the Labour party stone dead. They've now got a very centrist leader, but the harm is beginning to look incurable.
Socialism today in Europe mostly means Scandinavian style strong social policy combined with a very large private industrial sector. Even the Conservative party here in the UK is fully on board with this approach, it's just a matter of proportions. Conservative leaders ever since Maggie have bent over backwards to show support for the National Health Service for example. Now ok, whether that's at all genuine or not is a separate question, but the political reality is that switching to a system of private health care is inconceivable here even for the political right. It would be just as suicidal as talking about nationalisation was for the left.
So the voting public have resoundingly rejected both hard left socialism and radical right market reform, in certain sectors. It's not a matter of ideological purity or even consistency, just a matter of which model has worked out for which type of industry or service.
- throwaway3699 5y agoEh, the conservatives just took steps towards nationalising the railways and it was hugely popular among regular, working class people.
- simonh 5y agoThe privatisation of the railways was always a complete and utter fudge. Not that the nationalised system was any better, but privatisation hasn't been exactly a resounding success for market forces either.