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I can guarantee you one thing, if you don’t try and complain about how only privileged people can do it, you DEFINITELY won’t get rich or be successful or whate

by zpeti 5y ago

I can guarantee you one thing, if you don’t try and complain about how only privileged people can do it, you DEFINITELY won’t get rich or be successful or whatever your metric is. If you try, you might fail, and you might fail because of things outside your control, and it won’t be your fault. But you might succeed. Your choice.

michaelgrafl 5y ago
No one is saying only privileged people can be successful. Just that observation has shown that the odds are stacked against them. I would call that unjust, and thus would be accused of playing the status game. It's a toxic argument.
Xplune13 5y ago
I agree. The act of trying itself opens you up to new possibilities which are just locked if one just complaints and do nothing about it. That's why trying is necessary. But that doesn't mean one should deny the fact that some things are entirely dependent on pure luck. In my opinion, the luck part starts even before you're actually born (your place/country of birth, family etc.). So, one should acknowledge the fact that luck too played an important role in their current wealth along with their own hard work.
- megaman821 5y ago
  But what meaning does luck have if you consider every positive thing in life luck? You were lucky you were born with the ability to see. You were you didn't die of childhood disease. If it was 100% luck, China and India would have most of the good things in the world since the have more lotto tickets (people) than the rest of the world.
  - Xplune13 5y ago
    I didn't say it was 100% luck. I said, trying itself is opening up to new opportunities and possibilities. After all luck is just a game of possibilities and chances. There isn't a universal definition of luck and there won't ever be. The border between what is luck and what isn't changes every person to person. Your country, family wealth (which then pays for your education) play an important role in one's life and their wealth. A "rich" person on some poor island most probably won't be considered rich in any Western country. Now it matters what you do with that what you have. Scoring high or low in academics is up to me which would contribute to my wealth in future. I'm not saying that academics is the only metric here, but people having high score are generally more "wealthy" than those that don't according to my observation. So all of it matters on what you do with the given time and opportunities.
  - developer93 5y ago
    I would define luck as any positive circumstance which I didn't create/control. I'm not sure his last point even counts as luck.
croes 5y ago
So constant failure is a choice, success is not.
jayd16 5y ago
Pretty sure no one is saying to not try. Quite the opposite. Many simply understand that yes, luck does matter. You need to try and get lucky.
developer93 5y ago
I'm already relatively successful by my lights, but I won't pretend that luck of birth and circumstances didn't play a big part. Yes I took advantage of the chances that were presented to me, but I can recognise that someone who didn't start off with my advantages would have to work much harder top get where I am. The world isn't fair, that's a fact and there's no point pretending it isn't just to make yourself feel better.

by zpeti 5y ago

michaelgrafl 5y ago

No one is saying only privileged people can be successful. Just that observation has shown that the odds are stacked against them. I would call that unjust, and thus would be accused of playing the status game. It's a toxic argument.

Xplune13 5y ago

I agree. The act of trying itself opens you up to new possibilities which are just locked if one just complaints and do nothing about it. That's why trying is necessary. But that doesn't mean one should deny the fact that some things are entirely dependent on pure luck. In my opinion, the luck part starts even before you're actually born (your place/country of birth, family etc.). So, one should acknowledge the fact that luck too played an important role in their current wealth along with their own hard work.

megaman821 5y ago
But what meaning does luck have if you consider every positive thing in life luck? You were lucky you were born with the ability to see. You were you didn't die of childhood disease. If it was 100% luck, China and India would have most of the good things in the world since the have more lotto tickets (people) than the rest of the world.
- Xplune13 5y ago
  I didn't say it was 100% luck. I said, trying itself is opening up to new opportunities and possibilities. After all luck is just a game of possibilities and chances. There isn't a universal definition of luck and there won't ever be. The border between what is luck and what isn't changes every person to person. Your country, family wealth (which then pays for your education) play an important role in one's life and their wealth. A "rich" person on some poor island most probably won't be considered rich in any Western country. Now it matters what you do with that what you have. Scoring high or low in academics is up to me which would contribute to my wealth in future. I'm not saying that academics is the only metric here, but people having high score are generally more "wealthy" than those that don't according to my observation. So all of it matters on what you do with the given time and opportunities.
- developer93 5y ago
  I would define luck as any positive circumstance which I didn't create/control. I'm not sure his last point even counts as luck.

croes 5y ago

So constant failure is a choice, success is not.

jayd16 5y ago

Pretty sure no one is saying to not try. Quite the opposite. Many simply understand that yes, luck does matter. You need to try and get lucky.

developer93 5y ago

I'm already relatively successful by my lights, but I won't pretend that luck of birth and circumstances didn't play a big part. Yes I took advantage of the chances that were presented to me, but I can recognise that someone who didn't start off with my advantages would have to work much harder top get where I am. The world isn't fair, that's a fact and there's no point pretending it isn't just to make yourself feel better.