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> posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions This is an extreme shifting of the overton window and cult behavior that e

> posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions This is an extreme shifting of the overton window and cult behavior that excommunicates liberals from the left. Joe Rogan himself is on the left, he has mostly liberal views, he wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders. But because he's heterodox and talks to the "other", he's a sinner who must be cast out.

j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
Isn't there a difference between someone on the other side within the democratic political spectrum, and someone on the other side wanting to overthrow said democracy? And yes, there's people outside of the democratic political spectrum both on the right and the left side. In Germany they currently march together ("Querdenker"). However, at least according to the FBI, the right-wing extremists are the larger problem right now.
- kortilla 5y ago
  Read the thread. It says anywhere but a “right-wing community”. Bernie Sanders is not “right-wing”.
  - j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
    I was specifically referring to this sentence (sorry, should have quoted that): > But because he(...) talks to the "other", he's a sinner who must be cast out. Giving Alex Jones a platform is ... well, its understandable if people give you a hard time for doing that.
    - kspacewalk2 5y ago
      Not really. This is only understandable if you subscribe to the idea that "not giving someone a platform" is a desirable and effective way to combat bad ideas.
      - Moodles 5y ago
        I think Joe Rogan has said in the past that he just considers Alex Jones a friend and just enjoys having him on the podcast. Also, the guy has had literally thousands of guests on his podcast, including Bernie Sanders or whoever these woke people presumably agree with. And even then, sometimes him and his guests have been drunk or high. Do that to anyone and it's certain you'll find one or two clips among the tens of thousands of hours where someone says something that someone else doesn't like. Big deal. I honestly think one of the reason podcasts are so popular these days is that they're longform and authentic, unlike the media or even political debates, where it's more about soundbites and zingers. I also totally agree that the best way to combat so-called bad ideas is to talk about them and debate them, not deplatform, as if you're so smart to know what's good or bad for people, and the people themselves are too stupid and will be easily manipulated and believe a bad idea. Anyways, that's neither here or there when I'm literally sharing a podcast about Signal which has nothing to do with one guest he's had on way in the past. I think a lot of the comments i got were just poor control of emotions and some virtue signalling.
        tekknik 5y ago
        > I think Joe Rogan has said in the past that he just considers Alex Jones a friend and just enjoys having him on the podcast. Also, the guy has had literally thousands of guests on his podcast, including Bernie Sanders or whoever these woke people presumably agree with. He’s also had Colion Noir (a black, ex-lawyer, gun rights supporter) on his show a few times, and seemingly supports gun rights. He’s also a gun owner. He’s got quite an interesting and divisive way with both sides.
        Moodles 5y ago
        One could call it “diversity”. I thought that’s what we wanted? It probably doesn’t apply to thought :-)
        j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
        > I also totally agree that the best way to combat so-called bad ideas is to talk about them and debate them, not deplatform I would like it to be that way. However, I've seen over the last 10 years (at least in Germany) that it just does not seem to work. Deplatforming at least limits the ability of extremists to reach more people, even though it seems to make the people already in that corner to become even more radical. > as if you're so smart to know what's good or bad for people, and the people themselves are too stupid and will be easily manipulated and believe a bad idea. Well we are stupid and we are easily manipulated, unfortunately. And that's why as a society could (and imo should) decide that we won't expose ourselves to certain kinds of propaganda. This is not a random process of censoring people we don't like - this has to do with legislation and courts enforcing those laws.

j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago

Isn't there a difference between someone on the other side within the democratic political spectrum, and someone on the other side wanting to overthrow said democracy? And yes, there's people outside of the democratic political spectrum both on the right and the left side. In Germany they currently march together ("Querdenker"). However, at least according to the FBI, the right-wing extremists are the larger problem right now.

kortilla 5y ago
Read the thread. It says anywhere but a “right-wing community”. Bernie Sanders is not “right-wing”.
- j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
  I was specifically referring to this sentence (sorry, should have quoted that): > But because he(...) talks to the "other", he's a sinner who must be cast out. Giving Alex Jones a platform is ... well, its understandable if people give you a hard time for doing that.
  - kspacewalk2 5y ago
    Not really. This is only understandable if you subscribe to the idea that "not giving someone a platform" is a desirable and effective way to combat bad ideas.
    - Moodles 5y ago
      I think Joe Rogan has said in the past that he just considers Alex Jones a friend and just enjoys having him on the podcast. Also, the guy has had literally thousands of guests on his podcast, including Bernie Sanders or whoever these woke people presumably agree with. And even then, sometimes him and his guests have been drunk or high. Do that to anyone and it's certain you'll find one or two clips among the tens of thousands of hours where someone says something that someone else doesn't like. Big deal. I honestly think one of the reason podcasts are so popular these days is that they're longform and authentic, unlike the media or even political debates, where it's more about soundbites and zingers. I also totally agree that the best way to combat so-called bad ideas is to talk about them and debate them, not deplatform, as if you're so smart to know what's good or bad for people, and the people themselves are too stupid and will be easily manipulated and believe a bad idea. Anyways, that's neither here or there when I'm literally sharing a podcast about Signal which has nothing to do with one guest he's had on way in the past. I think a lot of the comments i got were just poor control of emotions and some virtue signalling.
      - tekknik 5y ago
        > I think Joe Rogan has said in the past that he just considers Alex Jones a friend and just enjoys having him on the podcast. Also, the guy has had literally thousands of guests on his podcast, including Bernie Sanders or whoever these woke people presumably agree with. He’s also had Colion Noir (a black, ex-lawyer, gun rights supporter) on his show a few times, and seemingly supports gun rights. He’s also a gun owner. He’s got quite an interesting and divisive way with both sides.
        Moodles 5y ago
        One could call it “diversity”. I thought that’s what we wanted? It probably doesn’t apply to thought :-)
      - j_wtf_all_taken 5y ago
        > I also totally agree that the best way to combat so-called bad ideas is to talk about them and debate them, not deplatform I would like it to be that way. However, I've seen over the last 10 years (at least in Germany) that it just does not seem to work. Deplatforming at least limits the ability of extremists to reach more people, even though it seems to make the people already in that corner to become even more radical. > as if you're so smart to know what's good or bad for people, and the people themselves are too stupid and will be easily manipulated and believe a bad idea. Well we are stupid and we are easily manipulated, unfortunately. And that's why as a society could (and imo should) decide that we won't expose ourselves to certain kinds of propaganda. This is not a random process of censoring people we don't like - this has to do with legislation and courts enforcing those laws.