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>! You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions My PhD work was o

>! You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions My PhD work was on Signal. I work in security. I literally just wanted to talk about Signal, man. It was actually pretty disappointing to me people talked about how problematic Joe Rogan is instead. > you should reflect upon your reaction if a podcast from a thinker you despised was posted. I just said I have a gazillion stories about how it’s better to keep silent in San Francisco than voice your opinion. Trust me, I wouldn’t react the same way. I definitely don’t want to #csncel e.g. John Oliver just because he said some shit I disagreed with once. I hate that culture. In fact, I’d probably share him if he happened to be saying something I thought was interesting at the time. I think I have before when he was talking about Apple privacy or blockchains actually. So no, I wouldn’t react the same way.

w0de0 5y ago
The platonic ideal of a space safe for all ideologies doesn't exist, so let me rephrase: imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Do you think people shouldn't have disagreed with Joe Rogan, or been angry with him? Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places, because so many people disagree with it, and that's wrong, you should be afforded the same ideological safety as the woke crowd when among them? I don't understand, I guess. It all still seems very lacking in theory of mind. You can't change the world for the better by trolling.
- Moodles 5y ago
  > imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Are you trying to get me to say my reaction would be the same? It just wouldn’t be. I would at least listen to the episode before just commenting. Also where exactly is this place? My small group of friends? My partner? Anonymously online? That’s basically it. Because it’s definitely not work or social media. > Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Someone asked me for some weird stories from San Francisco, so I shared some. > Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places Yeah that’s pretty much the point of my stories and the topic of this HN thread. > You can't change the world for the better by trolling. Yea this conversation is over then. If you think I’m just trying to troll people there’s really no point for me to talk to you.
  - w0de0 5y ago
    Go to Thailand, insult the king, and post to HN about how surprised you are that you got caned like a bad boy. I don't think you were trying to troll people. I meant to draw a comparison between your aw-shucks surprise at a negative reaction with the very similar attitude of trolls. In my opinion its a cover for the belief that one's opinions are sacrosanct and anyone rejecting them is inferior. I am sorry for implying you were intentionally trolling. Saying "this conversation is over" is a very rude thing to say.
    - Moodles 5y ago
      Ok you don’t think I was trolling. That’s good. Thanks. > Go to Thailand, insult the king, and post to HN about how surprised you are that you got caned like a bad boy. Yes, I’m saying it’s sucks it’s like that, here are some examples.
      - ranndino 5y ago
        The guy you're replying to appears to be a perfect example of a woke idiot. The whole idea that Joe Rogan is extremely controversial is incredibly stupid. The guy has an interesting, super popular podcast where he talks to super interesting people in a very chill, entertaining way. How terrible. This idea that you have to ban anyone that ever said anything you disagreed with is extremely illiberal and sounds like something from a totalitarian society. I had a guy at work once who told me that he was a fan of HBO's Silicone Valley until he heard of that email one of its writers sent. After that he stopped watching the show. I asked him if he does constant research to find out if a person who produces any entertainment he likes said or did something bad in his personal life & then stops watching or listening any of the content they had something to do with. He said yes.
        Moodles 5y ago
        That’s hilarious. Do you think he actually does that, or was he just virtue signalling?
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- 1MachineElf 5y ago
  There are enough stories criticizing "the tolerant left" to support the notion that had Moodles been in the opposite end of this situation, he likely would not have reacted in the same extreme way. There is a culture with an express goal of fostering intolerance of average people, and San Francisco hosts a concentration of it.
- swebs 5y ago
  Read the parent comment again, but more slowly this time. Particularly the last paragraph.
  - w0de0 5y ago
    I very much appreciate that this whole thread is suffused with the assumption that interlocutors are making their arguments from stupidity or illiteracy.
    - Moodles 5y ago
      In plain English: you think I'm trolling? Why? Who thinks who is illiterate?
- kortilla 5y ago
  Perhaps OP assumed the coworkers were able to think critically and not engage in basic ad hominems? In my work environment I expect my coworkers to be able to engage with substance and would be very disappointed if they refused to look at something because it came from someone “problematic”.
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w0de0 5y ago

The platonic ideal of a space safe for all ideologies doesn't exist, so let me rephrase: imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Do you think people shouldn't have disagreed with Joe Rogan, or been angry with him? Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places, because so many people disagree with it, and that's wrong, you should be afforded the same ideological safety as the woke crowd when among them? I don't understand, I guess. It all still seems very lacking in theory of mind. You can't change the world for the better by trolling.

Moodles 5y ago
> imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Are you trying to get me to say my reaction would be the same? It just wouldn’t be. I would at least listen to the episode before just commenting. Also where exactly is this place? My small group of friends? My partner? Anonymously online? That’s basically it. Because it’s definitely not work or social media. > Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Someone asked me for some weird stories from San Francisco, so I shared some. > Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places Yeah that’s pretty much the point of my stories and the topic of this HN thread. > You can't change the world for the better by trolling. Yea this conversation is over then. If you think I’m just trying to troll people there’s really no point for me to talk to you.
- w0de0 5y ago
  Go to Thailand, insult the king, and post to HN about how surprised you are that you got caned like a bad boy. I don't think you were trying to troll people. I meant to draw a comparison between your aw-shucks surprise at a negative reaction with the very similar attitude of trolls. In my opinion its a cover for the belief that one's opinions are sacrosanct and anyone rejecting them is inferior. I am sorry for implying you were intentionally trolling. Saying "this conversation is over" is a very rude thing to say.
  - Moodles 5y ago
    Ok you don’t think I was trolling. That’s good. Thanks. > Go to Thailand, insult the king, and post to HN about how surprised you are that you got caned like a bad boy. Yes, I’m saying it’s sucks it’s like that, here are some examples.
    - ranndino 5y ago
      The guy you're replying to appears to be a perfect example of a woke idiot. The whole idea that Joe Rogan is extremely controversial is incredibly stupid. The guy has an interesting, super popular podcast where he talks to super interesting people in a very chill, entertaining way. How terrible. This idea that you have to ban anyone that ever said anything you disagreed with is extremely illiberal and sounds like something from a totalitarian society. I had a guy at work once who told me that he was a fan of HBO's Silicone Valley until he heard of that email one of its writers sent. After that he stopped watching the show. I asked him if he does constant research to find out if a person who produces any entertainment he likes said or did something bad in his personal life & then stops watching or listening any of the content they had something to do with. He said yes.
      - Moodles 5y ago
        That’s hilarious. Do you think he actually does that, or was he just virtue signalling?
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1MachineElf 5y ago
There are enough stories criticizing "the tolerant left" to support the notion that had Moodles been in the opposite end of this situation, he likely would not have reacted in the same extreme way. There is a culture with an express goal of fostering intolerance of average people, and San Francisco hosts a concentration of it.
swebs 5y ago
Read the parent comment again, but more slowly this time. Particularly the last paragraph.
- w0de0 5y ago
  I very much appreciate that this whole thread is suffused with the assumption that interlocutors are making their arguments from stupidity or illiteracy.
  - Moodles 5y ago
    In plain English: you think I'm trolling? Why? Who thinks who is illiterate?
kortilla 5y ago
Perhaps OP assumed the coworkers were able to think critically and not engage in basic ad hominems? In my work environment I expect my coworkers to be able to engage with substance and would be very disappointed if they refused to look at something because it came from someone “problematic”.
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