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there is going to be some of that for sure. i expect people reading this comment will not understand your point to mean "some" and will probably read it as "al
by jheriko 5y ago
there is going to be some of that for sure.
i expect people reading this comment will not understand your point to mean "some" and will probably read it as "all". despite the length of your comment to the contrary, they won't parse and extract the meaning but, probably without even noticing it, rely on biases and shortcuts to interpret the meaning more rapidly (and wrongly).
i'm pretty confident you are not suggesting it is responsible for 100% of the signal here, just some <100% of it.
as a counterpoint i'd offer up those people who have been traumatised by their living conditions. they often adopt a choice mindset and it is harmful to them. so no, actually a choice mindset and taking responsibility in a horrible environment doesn't actually help.
i say this with some bias as someone who has adopted that kind of mindset and watched those not taking responsibility for themselves perform better in many areas precisely because they excessively (from my perspective) seek help from others and ignore responsiblities.
i have a number of experiences where i've ended up supporting someone extensively, because they come to me "in a difficult situation" only to realise i'm less capable of supporting them then they are of me in terms of resources and opportunities. its quite mind blowing at the time, but i try to understand how it happens - my suspicion is that their bar for 'failure' is so damned high that they will actually not use their piles of resources for psychological reasons alone.
- Consultant32452 5y agoThe Marxist mindset has been drilled into them since kindergarten. They can only see the world in terms of class and identity. That’s why you see them propagating the false dichotomy in responses. They trivialize choice as having only nominal impact on outcomes. There’s no point in encouraging self determination, only focus on the externalities, no one can ever be responsible for their outcomes in any more than a trivial sense. The reality is that choice and context are symbiotic in outcomes and while it’s obviously true that not all options are available to everyone, individual choice has massive influence on individual and group outcomes.