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> reliable news collected from the New York Times and the Guardian over approximately the same period Theres your first problem (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news

> reliable news collected from the New York Times and the Guardian over approximately the same period Theres your first problem (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-times-quietly-updates-report-on-fire-extinguisher-striking-capitol-police-officer/ar-BB1dG92n https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-times-quietly-upd...), there is no authority on what is fake and what is reliable and you'll never get those two groups to agree.

froh 5y ago
1. they don't need to agree. you decide who you trust. 2. the msn example is about nyt loudly and visibly updating a report. I don't see how that is an example about the claim. other than msn thinks it's a good idea to misrepresent a visible and cleanly tagged article update as "quiet update"
- CharlesW 5y ago
  > they don't need to agree. you decide who you trust. But how do you make that decision? People will choose sources whose news hews to their worldview, no?
  - froh 5y ago
    didn't they in the past as well? and wasn't it a matter of education (as in humanities) if you'd occasionally also skimmed newspapers and journals of not-your-tribe? which includes my personal thought about this dilemma: education. democratic consensus that our society is built on certain values, one of which is the ability to deliberately ponder and discern "news". I understand I live in a country privileged with proportional representation, which is much less prone to polarization than a fptp by district congress. good luck to all of us..
jaredwiener 5y ago
“Who gets to decide what’s true?” is the wrong question. We should be asking “how do we determine what’s true?” https://blog.nillium.com/fighting-misinformation-online/ https://blog.nillium.com/fighting-misinformation-online/
throwkeep 5y ago
And take this subtle example from NYT a few days ago. "More than 67 Palestinians, including 16 children, have died since the start of the conflict on Monday, Palestinian health officials said. The rockets fired by Hamas and its Islamist ally, Islamic Jihad, killed at least six Israeli civilians, including a 5-year-old boy and one soldier." Note the use of died vs killed. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/world/middleeast/israeli-palestinian-conflict-gaza-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/world/middleeast/israeli-...
gotoeleven 5y ago
> reliable news collected from the New York Times Sounds like a pretty small sample size.

froh 5y ago

1. they don't need to agree. you decide who you trust. 2. the msn example is about nyt loudly and visibly updating a report. I don't see how that is an example about the claim. other than msn thinks it's a good idea to misrepresent a visible and cleanly tagged article update as "quiet update"

CharlesW 5y ago
> they don't need to agree. you decide who you trust. But how do you make that decision? People will choose sources whose news hews to their worldview, no?
- froh 5y ago
  didn't they in the past as well? and wasn't it a matter of education (as in humanities) if you'd occasionally also skimmed newspapers and journals of not-your-tribe? which includes my personal thought about this dilemma: education. democratic consensus that our society is built on certain values, one of which is the ability to deliberately ponder and discern "news". I understand I live in a country privileged with proportional representation, which is much less prone to polarization than a fptp by district congress. good luck to all of us..

jaredwiener 5y ago

“Who gets to decide what’s true?” is the wrong question. We should be asking “how do we determine what’s true?” https://blog.nillium.com/fighting-misinformation-online/ https://blog.nillium.com/fighting-misinformation-online/

throwkeep 5y ago

And take this subtle example from NYT a few days ago. "More than 67 Palestinians, including 16 children, have died since the start of the conflict on Monday, Palestinian health officials said. The rockets fired by Hamas and its Islamist ally, Islamic Jihad, killed at least six Israeli civilians, including a 5-year-old boy and one soldier." Note the use of died vs killed. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/world/middleeast/israeli-palestinian-conflict-gaza-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/world/middleeast/israeli-...

gotoeleven 5y ago

> reliable news collected from the New York Times Sounds like a pretty small sample size.