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No, Science Clearly Shows That Covid-19 Wasn’t Leaked from a Wuhan Lab

17 points by johncena33 5y ago

tolbish 5y ago
> The conspiracy, of course, is that China, and specifically the Wuhan Institute of Virology, genetically engineered this novel strain of coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, to specifically wreak havoc on human populations. I thought the conspiracy was that the lab is where the virus research was being done and it somehow got out, not that it was specifically created there with human infection in mind.
- dboreham 5y ago
  Which makes me suspicious of the whole article which in turn makes me wonder if the theory is correct.
- MikeUt 5y ago
  It's easiest to debunk the theory making the most extreme claims, then pretend that's the only version of the theory.
null0pointer 5y ago
Suggesting it was a lab leak is not the same as saying it was genetically engineered. I can’t tell anymore if the people conflating the two are either stupid or malicious.
- Bancakes 5y ago
  Cheap strawman.
throwawaygal7 5y ago
I think most people claiming a lab leak believe that the virus was ultimately of natural origin, and was 'engineered' only in the sense of being tested in a lab and leaking from said experiments. Some also hold that it could be a recombinant strain produced in the lab, still with ultimately natural origins...
- ikerdanzel 5y ago
  They did have precedence with the earlier sars virus. And that lab did research on sars virus. And the first outbreak happened in that city. And the group of patient zeroes, a lot of them didn't had any connection to that wet market. There were satellite image analysis of hospitals there have unusual surge activities as early as Aug 2019. And then officially, virus can't be named with that city name, researchers who identified HIV parts on covid suppressed, and only the wet market was the official ground zero for the spread late in year end. That is a lot of coincidence. A court can convict just purely based on circumstantial evidences. So not surprising people came to that conclusion. The main gripe is virus originate from the lab. Whether it is of natural occurance that isn't the main focus.
innovator116 5y ago
The author of this article is astrophysicist not biologist or virologist. It appears to be propaganda for Chinese CCP!
- colinb 5y ago
  and here was I thinking it was the Poughkeepsie branch. Thanks for the tip.
briefcomment 5y ago
There’s barely any investigative reporting here. Reads more like an opinion piece.
sschueller 5y ago
A lab leak doesn't require much other than carelessness and ignoring protocols. Engineering a virus that would become a world pandemic is practically impossible at this point and no one is really claiming that that happened. One is far fetched the other is not.
johnaspden 5y ago
So, it's certainly not a bioweapon. We know that because it is so crap. I don't see how that means it can't have leaked from a lab. Can anyone enlighten me?
benjohnson 5y ago
As I understand it, a Chinese company now owns a large portion of Forbes https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN16Z0BW https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN16Z0BW
davidivadavid 5y ago
At this point can we consider that whenever "Science" is used as a reified subject ("science shows"), the conclusion is almost guaranteed to be bullshit/wrong/politicized, etc.?
jacknews 5y ago
The content does not support the headline.

17 points by johncena33 5y ago

> The conspiracy, of course, is that China, and specifically the Wuhan Institute of Virology, genetically engineered this novel strain of coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, to specifically wreak havoc on human populations. I thought the conspiracy was that the lab is where the virus research was being done and it somehow got out, not that it was specifically created there with human infection in mind.

dboreham 5y ago
Which makes me suspicious of the whole article which in turn makes me wonder if the theory is correct.
MikeUt 5y ago
It's easiest to debunk the theory making the most extreme claims, then pretend that's the only version of the theory.

null0pointer 5y ago

Suggesting it was a lab leak is not the same as saying it was genetically engineered. I can’t tell anymore if the people conflating the two are either stupid or malicious.

Bancakes 5y ago
Cheap strawman.

throwawaygal7 5y ago

I think most people claiming a lab leak believe that the virus was ultimately of natural origin, and was 'engineered' only in the sense of being tested in a lab and leaking from said experiments. Some also hold that it could be a recombinant strain produced in the lab, still with ultimately natural origins...

ikerdanzel 5y ago
They did have precedence with the earlier sars virus. And that lab did research on sars virus. And the first outbreak happened in that city. And the group of patient zeroes, a lot of them didn't had any connection to that wet market. There were satellite image analysis of hospitals there have unusual surge activities as early as Aug 2019. And then officially, virus can't be named with that city name, researchers who identified HIV parts on covid suppressed, and only the wet market was the official ground zero for the spread late in year end. That is a lot of coincidence. A court can convict just purely based on circumstantial evidences. So not surprising people came to that conclusion. The main gripe is virus originate from the lab. Whether it is of natural occurance that isn't the main focus.

innovator116 5y ago

The author of this article is astrophysicist not biologist or virologist. It appears to be propaganda for Chinese CCP!

colinb 5y ago
and here was I thinking it was the Poughkeepsie branch. Thanks for the tip.

briefcomment 5y ago

There’s barely any investigative reporting here. Reads more like an opinion piece.

sschueller 5y ago

A lab leak doesn't require much other than carelessness and ignoring protocols. Engineering a virus that would become a world pandemic is practically impossible at this point and no one is really claiming that that happened. One is far fetched the other is not.

johnaspden 5y ago

So, it's certainly not a bioweapon. We know that because it is so crap. I don't see how that means it can't have leaked from a lab. Can anyone enlighten me?

benjohnson 5y ago

As I understand it, a Chinese company now owns a large portion of Forbes https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN16Z0BW https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN16Z0BW

davidivadavid 5y ago

At this point can we consider that whenever "Science" is used as a reified subject ("science shows"), the conclusion is almost guaranteed to be bullshit/wrong/politicized, etc.?

jacknews 5y ago

The content does not support the headline.