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This is absolutely ridiculous. Please, people, do NOT be honest about your conservative or non-woke political positions in this industry. You will absolutely b

This is absolutely ridiculous. Please, people, do NOT be honest about your conservative or non-woke political positions in this industry. You will absolutely be punished for them by your peers. It is not in any situation ever worth it. Clock in, clock out, take the check, and always always always keep interviewing constantly because they will have no issues firing you arbitrarily. Work at a large enough company and the woke literally have an entire division of the company (DEI) dedicated to finding reasons not to hire you in the first place, reasons to not promote you, and identifying ways in which your opinions make others feel "unsafe", etc. The entire deck is stacked against you unless you blend in. "Bring your whole self to work" is bait. It's how they identify friend and foe. Do not fall for it. Pretend to be apolitical if you must. It probably won't work 100%, but giving up plausible deniability is not in your interest.

jonny_eh 5y ago
Just don’t circulate a poorly written manifesto and you’ll be fine.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Or write a critically acclaimed work of fiction 5 years ago. Please update your cancel culture example du jour. Edit: Reference was to Antonio Garcia Martinez. Edit 2: In case it wasn't clear, the post I'm responding to is referring to James Damore, an autistic man who was manipulated into believing people wanted to have an honest, good faith discussion about the issues of gender and sex and hiring at Google. He got baited by "bring your whole self to work". Don't get baited.
Moodles 5y ago
I agree with you, though it is still a little soul crushing. Obviously making big bucks and providing for your family is more important than debating some cancel culture social justice warrior at work who’ll never be convinced anyway, but listening to some eye rolling inducing faff every day and feeling like if you just told the truth you’d be fired makes you feel weak after a long time. Especially if you vehemently disagree just as strongly as they think what they think. Being honest and disagreeing would not be as heroic as refusing to “just go along with the nazis”, but just ignoring them is also a little harder than ignoring some crazy preacher on the street. It’s an awkward middle ground that just slowly erodes your soul and I find myself looking for friends as outlets to moan to when I hear something particularly ridiculous. But I absolutely hate feeling weak that I need to remain silent, or feeling like I’m in the damn French resistance or something when I actually have pretty moderate views. Worst of all? I say what I think to people who I respect enough as adults to be able to take it. But when I remain silent it’s basically because I think they’re emotionally too immature to take it.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Agreed. It's important to find an outlet for expressing yourself outside of work. Be sure to keep it either local or anonymous.
  - Moodles 5y ago
    I’m not sure if a blanket ban on politics will work either though. At the end of the day, it’s just another form of nepotism, just like boys on Wall Street all going to strip clubs together or something. It might stop some heroes from shooting themselves in the foot I guess.
- cutemonster 5y ago
  Moodles and chitowneats I wonder what are some examples of things you'd like to say / opinions you have, but that might make the coworkers angry?
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    I'll copy my example from below: "There are still many of us out there who believe that hiring candidates based on their race is not healthy for society, the company, or any individual candidate. That opinion is largely being stamped out, by design, in management at the orgs I'm talking about. This has nothing to do with not wanting to step up and manage."
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    - cutemonster 5y ago
      Ok, interesting to hear Personally I think I like blind job applications (ie where the name, ethnicity, gender, age etc of the job applicants is held unknown for the interviewers, as long as possible), which it seems to me that you like too
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jonny_eh 5y ago

Just don’t circulate a poorly written manifesto and you’ll be fine.

chitowneats 5y ago
Or write a critically acclaimed work of fiction 5 years ago. Please update your cancel culture example du jour. Edit: Reference was to Antonio Garcia Martinez. Edit 2: In case it wasn't clear, the post I'm responding to is referring to James Damore, an autistic man who was manipulated into believing people wanted to have an honest, good faith discussion about the issues of gender and sex and hiring at Google. He got baited by "bring your whole self to work". Don't get baited.

Moodles 5y ago

I agree with you, though it is still a little soul crushing. Obviously making big bucks and providing for your family is more important than debating some cancel culture social justice warrior at work who’ll never be convinced anyway, but listening to some eye rolling inducing faff every day and feeling like if you just told the truth you’d be fired makes you feel weak after a long time. Especially if you vehemently disagree just as strongly as they think what they think. Being honest and disagreeing would not be as heroic as refusing to “just go along with the nazis”, but just ignoring them is also a little harder than ignoring some crazy preacher on the street. It’s an awkward middle ground that just slowly erodes your soul and I find myself looking for friends as outlets to moan to when I hear something particularly ridiculous. But I absolutely hate feeling weak that I need to remain silent, or feeling like I’m in the damn French resistance or something when I actually have pretty moderate views. Worst of all? I say what I think to people who I respect enough as adults to be able to take it. But when I remain silent it’s basically because I think they’re emotionally too immature to take it.

chitowneats 5y ago
Agreed. It's important to find an outlet for expressing yourself outside of work. Be sure to keep it either local or anonymous.
- Moodles 5y ago
  I’m not sure if a blanket ban on politics will work either though. At the end of the day, it’s just another form of nepotism, just like boys on Wall Street all going to strip clubs together or something. It might stop some heroes from shooting themselves in the foot I guess.
cutemonster 5y ago
Moodles and chitowneats I wonder what are some examples of things you'd like to say / opinions you have, but that might make the coworkers angry?
- chitowneats 5y ago
  I'll copy my example from below: "There are still many of us out there who believe that hiring candidates based on their race is not healthy for society, the company, or any individual candidate. That opinion is largely being stamped out, by design, in management at the orgs I'm talking about. This has nothing to do with not wanting to step up and manage."
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  - cutemonster 5y ago
    Ok, interesting to hear Personally I think I like blind job applications (ie where the name, ethnicity, gender, age etc of the job applicants is held unknown for the interviewers, as long as possible), which it seems to me that you like too
    - 5y ago