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>TL:DR Poverty is the true problem, and we need to think about things more holistically. Is there any empirical evidence for this? How come there are countries

>TL:DR Poverty is the true problem, and we need to think about things more holistically. Is there any empirical evidence for this? How come there are countries like Vietnam and China that are much poorer than the US, with much higher income inequality, yet have much less crime? How come in San Franciso there was less crime 50 years ago, 100 years ago, even though the city (and country) was poorer then?

lsiebert 5y ago
Yes? as I understand it the general correlation between income inequality and crime is fairly well known, and the debate is on why it occurs and what can be done despite it. That said crime rates themselves are often more to do with reporting than with prevalence... IE if crime happens regularly people don't bother reporting it. Okay, here's international correlations between income inequality and property crime .https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.863.3280&rep=rep1&type=pdf https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.86... The best thing I could find for the time ranges you discussed suggests you are wrong about San Francisco, at least in terms of the last ~50 years and violent crime rates, which dropped 43% from 1975 to 2015. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/08/18/crime-in-context https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/08/18/crime-in-conte... The nationwide crime rate also went down during the same period, so I'm not sure that is really fair to your argument. That said, more broadly here's evidence of a correlation between crime rate and income inequality, including property crime, using US cities that isn't time based. https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ Here's one showing that income inequality by neighborhood correlates to property crime rate. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0042098016643914?journalCode=usja https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/004209801664391... Here's a study about people on probation in San Francisco that shows that housing insecurity drive recidivism, and that that's particularly strong correlation for low level offenses like property crimes https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leah-Jacobs-3/publication/340479616_The_Effect_of_Housing_Circumstances_on_Recidivism_Evidence_From_a_Sample_of_People_on_Probation_in_San_Francisco/links/5ef1030792851ce9e7fb7bf5/The-Effect-of-Housing-Circumstances-on-Recidivism-Evidence-From-a-Sample-of-People-on-Probation-in-San-Francisco.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leah-Jacobs-3/publicati... Anyway, This paper suggests that increasing wages among low income workers decreases crime https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/90836/1/wp0017.pdf https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/90836/1/wp0017.pdf

lsiebert 5y ago

Yes? as I understand it the general correlation between income inequality and crime is fairly well known, and the debate is on why it occurs and what can be done despite it. That said crime rates themselves are often more to do with reporting than with prevalence... IE if crime happens regularly people don't bother reporting it. Okay, here's international correlations between income inequality and property crime .https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.863.3280&rep=rep1&type=pdf https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.86... The best thing I could find for the time ranges you discussed suggests you are wrong about San Francisco, at least in terms of the last ~50 years and violent crime rates, which dropped 43% from 1975 to 2015. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/08/18/crime-in-context https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/08/18/crime-in-conte... The nationwide crime rate also went down during the same period, so I'm not sure that is really fair to your argument. That said, more broadly here's evidence of a correlation between crime rate and income inequality, including property crime, using US cities that isn't time based. https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/ Here's one showing that income inequality by neighborhood correlates to property crime rate. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0042098016643914?journalCode=usja https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/004209801664391... Here's a study about people on probation in San Francisco that shows that housing insecurity drive recidivism, and that that's particularly strong correlation for low level offenses like property crimes https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leah-Jacobs-3/publication/340479616_The_Effect_of_Housing_Circumstances_on_Recidivism_Evidence_From_a_Sample_of_People_on_Probation_in_San_Francisco/links/5ef1030792851ce9e7fb7bf5/The-Effect-of-Housing-Circumstances-on-Recidivism-Evidence-From-a-Sample-of-People-on-Probation-in-San-Francisco.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leah-Jacobs-3/publicati... Anyway, This paper suggests that increasing wages among low income workers decreases crime https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/90836/1/wp0017.pdf https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/90836/1/wp0017.pdf