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Hungry people will try to eat whatever they can. Tired people will try to sleep wherever they can. Unhappy people will try to feel better however they can. Cri

Hungry people will try to eat whatever they can. Tired people will try to sleep wherever they can. Unhappy people will try to feel better however they can. Criminalizing these activities is incredibly costly and doesn't truly solve anything. People are quick to question the morality of desperate unhappy poor people when they break the law when they don't have enough resources or options, and yet we rarely consider the immorality of those who hoard incredible wealth they don't need, when there are desperate unhappy poor people in need. Shouldn't those with great power have the greater responsibility?

Seattle3503 5y ago
There are many options to get fed in America, even if you don't have money. Here [1] is a list of food banks in SF. [1] https://food-banks.org/assistance/san_francisco_ca.html https://food-banks.org/assistance/san_francisco_ca.html
- lsiebert 5y ago
  And yet people still go hungry. It's a lot easier to feed yourself if you have money. Also not everybody has 5 and a half hours to wait in line. https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/S-F-hunger-still-at-pandemic-crisis-levels-as-16186656.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/S-F-hunge...
  - yostrovs 5y ago
    Are you saying that homeless and vagrants are too busy and it's much less time consuming to simply steal? Is that really a moral argument? You're that concerned about the productive time of homeless people?
    - lsiebert 5y ago
      See my answer above. As for my argument above that about comparative morality, it's more complex and nuanced, but it boils down to the idea of agency and praxis, and the responsibility of those who have everything they need. Also a large number of people receiving food aid are neither homeless nor vagrants, but the working poor.
  - honkdaddy 5y ago
    In good faith, is the proposal here that long lines at food banks morally justify stealing?
    - lsiebert 5y ago
      No, I was responding to the idea that the existence at food banks means nobody needs to go hungry. But I do think folks here have a lot of illusions about the nature of poverty and who is poor that they've gathered mostly by vague cultural osmosis and conservative propagated myths, not by working with or for poor folks, talking to those who do, academic studies (either doing, or reading), or even watching documentaries.
zthrowaway 5y ago
And what of the emotional and psychological effects victims of crime experience, doesn’t matter because they hold a job right?
koheripbal 5y ago
Addicts will rob whatever they can.

Seattle3503 5y ago

There are many options to get fed in America, even if you don't have money. Here [1] is a list of food banks in SF. [1] https://food-banks.org/assistance/san_francisco_ca.html https://food-banks.org/assistance/san_francisco_ca.html

lsiebert 5y ago
And yet people still go hungry. It's a lot easier to feed yourself if you have money. Also not everybody has 5 and a half hours to wait in line. https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/S-F-hunger-still-at-pandemic-crisis-levels-as-16186656.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/S-F-hunge...
- yostrovs 5y ago
  Are you saying that homeless and vagrants are too busy and it's much less time consuming to simply steal? Is that really a moral argument? You're that concerned about the productive time of homeless people?
  - lsiebert 5y ago
    See my answer above. As for my argument above that about comparative morality, it's more complex and nuanced, but it boils down to the idea of agency and praxis, and the responsibility of those who have everything they need. Also a large number of people receiving food aid are neither homeless nor vagrants, but the working poor.
- honkdaddy 5y ago
  In good faith, is the proposal here that long lines at food banks morally justify stealing?
  - lsiebert 5y ago
    No, I was responding to the idea that the existence at food banks means nobody needs to go hungry. But I do think folks here have a lot of illusions about the nature of poverty and who is poor that they've gathered mostly by vague cultural osmosis and conservative propagated myths, not by working with or for poor folks, talking to those who do, academic studies (either doing, or reading), or even watching documentaries.

zthrowaway 5y ago

And what of the emotional and psychological effects victims of crime experience, doesn’t matter because they hold a job right?

koheripbal 5y ago

Addicts will rob whatever they can.